Dear Biko,
I have already thanked my Igbo Brethren who subjected me to " full immersion". A Roman Catholic told me that " Baptism never goes to waste", but the Catholics, they just sprinkle some "holy water" on a baby's head and then say, " You're saved". A Pentecostal pastor in Owerri also told me and that once you have been been baptised ( "Full immersion" ) you are automatically saved, "by grace". So, not to worry, I'm covered - a few drops + full immersion just in case and Bro Titus Akanabu who I first met after they nearly drowned me in Umuahia, has become a Bishop and I'm sure that he is praying for me ...
Otherwise, I'm not too happy with what you have been saying. It's not a time for jesting about the ten plagues . As to Divine chastisement, in Bamidbar / Numbers 16 just see what happened to Korah who led the rebellion against Moses and Aaron:
"28 Then Moses said, "This is how you will know that the Lord has sent me to do all these things and that it was not my idea: 29 If these men die a natural death and suffer the fate of all mankind, then the Lord has not sent me. 30 But if the Lord brings about something totally new, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them, with everything that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the realm of the dead, then you will know that these men have treated the Lord with contempt."
31 As soon as he finished saying all this, the ground under them split apart 32 and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them and their households, and all those associated with Korah, together with their possessions. 33 They went down alive into the realm of the dead, with everything they owned; the earth closed over them, and they perished and were gone from the community. 34 At their cries, all the Israelites around them fled, shouting, "The earth is going to swallow us too!"
35 And fire came out from the Lord and consumed the 250 men who were offering the incense.
Today, This crime against humanity should fill all human beings with revulsion, especially because it is happening in a so called " Buddhist country" : the ethnic cleansing Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar
Also most repulsive : this type of racism
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:10:35 UTC+2, Biko Agozino wrote:
Rabbi is right, even the original Greek pidgin written hundreds of years after the origin of the oral tradition cannot convince us all that the two banditos were not indeed anti-colonial rebels whose crime may have been preaching the coming of the Osagyefo or Savior. I doubt if the Romans wasted the expensive resources of the crucifix on common thieves. Rabbi, where is the Thank You to your Igbo brethren who tried to save the seed of your soul?VC Bolaji, as a Professor of Chemical Engineering, you will agree that brother Moshishi, or the Spirit said to say in Igbo, was experimenting with chemical and biological weapons. His defense that he was just following orders from above would not have satisfied the Nuremberg International Principles of today especially after that tenth plague when every first born died. Imagine Osama bin Ladin walking into the Whitehouse the day after 9/11 and saying that I Am said to tell you to let my people go. Yet he was given the grace of being told to take his people and go before chicken hawks asked oga on top to chase them into the red sea to recover some of the gold and the slaves that they took with them or something.Biko
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Cornelius Hamelberg<cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:It's refreshing to know that one man's freedom fighter can be regarded as the other man's rebel, murderer and terrorist such as the Jihad clan known as Boko Haram...
It's so interesting, following this discussion between dear Bolaji and dear Biko, the professor of criminology who wants to decriminalise and de-colonise the justice system and our professor of chemical engineering – an avid political commentator - about the the faith (and belief ?) of the revolutionary nationalist freedom fighter Barabbas the zealot , one of the two other persons crucified along with Jesus , that day promised , "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise!"
I read of other zealots here on the way to paradise or to the other place...
As to our difficulties with the Greek Testament, like the Bard, knowing "little Latin and less Greek" I occasionally consulted with Brother Akonte Braide (self-taught New Testament Greek scholar) and ( I'll never forget) this was not too long after being nearly drowned by my fanatical Igbo Christian Brethren in what they called " Full Immersion Baptism " in that river in Umuahia. They must have been fancying themselves as some kind of John the Baptiser of the new dispensation and that their local river was flowing with the same holy water as the River Jordan in Jesus' Israel
Now, years later one has come to learn and understand that the Greek of the "New Testament" ( so called) is in fact some kind of pidgin Greek (like pidgin English) – just as today's Italian could be properly or improperly regarded as "pidgin Latin" by the same Stiff upper lip Nigerian English Language police and twenty-first century language purists who say today, "not even the Buckingham Palace classical Greek of the Greek philosophers" by whom some of the Diaspora culture Jews like Saul turned Paul had obviously been deeply affected – as a result of which we got the Biblical exegesis of Chapter 1, verse 1 of the Gospel according to John (King James Version) :" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us " (Jesus) – what's translated as " The Word " is the Greek term Logos ( and all the ramifications thereof
Food for thought : I'm still chewing on Baba Kadiri saying that if the Almighty wants to talk to him, He had better do so in Yoruba. I suppose that the Hebrew Faithful invoke the same argument when objecting to any real, fake or purported revelations from Him to them , not communicated to them via the Holy Tongue , especially after he point when with Malachi the Prophetic cycle had already come to an end.
Claude Kayat did considerable research when writing "The Thirteenth Disciple" ("Den trettonde lärjungen") and more than once, has recommended to me Understanding The Difficult Words of Jesus - for a better understanding of the Gospels...
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 15:51:00 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:Biko:Moses is recorded to have killed only one person in Egypt - a mistake, a manslaughter crime of passiom rathsr than a premeditated first degree mutder. He regretted it and ran away from his privileged royal-Egyptian position, and had forty years to repent in Midian before returning to lead his Jewish people out of bondage..Just to correct that record...I was there (in spirit).Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:BolajiIt shows how influential the KJV remains under imperialism.It will be good to hear from those who know Greek what they were translating from to arrive at so much liberty with words that mock rebels against Rome and revolutionaries as bad men, thieves, robbers, murderers, and bandits just as Jesus was represented as a criminal by the Romans and Mandela was officially labeled a terrorist by the West.The unrepentant Moses was shown grace after killing so many in Egypt because grace is not earned through repentance or tithing.In the history of knowledge, the majority does not always carry the vote.Biko--
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:Biko:There you have it is all I can say from these 101 translations. Thieves, robbers, outlaws, criminals, bandits, rebels, revolutionaries, insurrectionists, murderers - bad guys both!But one became penitent on the Cross next to Christ and landed in Paradise - a prime example of unbaptized, unmerited grace!There is hope yet for everybody ..Bolaji Aluko--
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:You may be right that King Jim was not alone in the fear and disgust at rebels and revolutionaries. A lot of the versions that called them thieves, outlaws or robbers may be direct plagiarism of KJV.The New International Versions call them "rebels against Rome" or simply "revolutionaries". The American revolution may have something to do with that preferenceSeeBiko--
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:Biko:Virtually all the versions that I have now looked at call the two persons on the Cross with Christ "criminals" or thieves, but nonrevolutiona (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27–28,32, Luke 23:33, John 19:18), They must be distinguished from Barrabas ("the notable prisoner...who caused insurrection and murder while at it". Mathew 27:16, Mark 15:7, Luke 23:18-19,) that was released by Pontius Pilate in place of Jesus Christ. Only John 18:40 calls Barrabas a robber.See:And there you have it.Bolaji Aluko--On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:MobCheck other versions of the story. Only King James version called them Robbers of the Cross. Other versions called them rebels or revolutionaries.King James may have had a grudge against rebels for they chopped off the head of his grandfather, Charles.Biko--
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:01 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM<chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:"......but his graciousness in defeat, by Obama, and his courage to reject Trumpism, endeared him to many, in the end." (Gloria Emeagwali)
So, this was what made him the symbol of American greatness?
By the way, weren't most of those factors listed present in the electoral victories of others?
CAO.
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