On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Cornelius Hamelberg<corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:It's refreshing to know that one man's freedom fighter can be regarded as the other man's rebel, murderer and terrorist such as the Jihad clan known as Boko Haram...
It's so interesting, following this discussion between dear Bolaji and dear Biko, the professor of criminology who wants to decriminalise and de-colonise the justice system and our professor of chemical engineering – an avid political commentator - about the the faith (and belief ?) of the revolutionary nationalist freedom fighter Barabbas the zealot , one of the two other persons crucified along with Jesus , that day promised , "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise!"
I read of other zealots here on the way to paradise or to the other place...
As to our difficulties with the Greek Testament, like the Bard, knowing "little Latin and less Greek" I occasionally consulted with Brother Akonte Braide (self-taught New Testament Greek scholar) and ( I'll never forget) this was not too long after being nearly drowned by my fanatical Igbo Christian Brethren in what they called " Full Immersion Baptism " in that river in Umuahia. They must have been fancying themselves as some kind of John the Baptiser of the new dispensation and that their local river was flowing with the same holy water as the River Jordan in Jesus' Israel
Now, years later one has come to learn and understand that the Greek of the "New Testament" ( so called) is in fact some kind of pidgin Greek (like pidgin English) – just as today's Italian could be properly or improperly regarded as "pidgin Latin" by the same Stiff upper lip Nigerian English Language police and twenty-first century language purists who say today, "not even the Buckingham Palace classical Greek of the Greek philosophers" by whom some of the Diaspora culture Jews like Saul turned Paul had obviously been deeply affected – as a result of which we got the Biblical exegesis of Chapter 1, verse 1 of the Gospel according to John (King James Version) :" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us " (Jesus) – what's translated as " The Word " is the Greek term Logos ( and all the ramifications thereof
Food for thought : I'm still chewing on Baba Kadiri saying that if the Almighty wants to talk to him, He had better do so in Yoruba. I suppose that the Hebrew Faithful invoke the same argument when objecting to any real, fake or purported revelations from Him to them , not communicated to them via the Holy Tongue , especially after he point when with Malachi the Prophetic cycle had already come to an end.
Claude Kayat did considerable research when writing "The Thirteenth Disciple" ("Den trettonde lärjungen") and more than once, has recommended to me Understanding The Difficult Words of Jesus - for a better understanding of the Gospels...
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 15:51:00 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:Biko:Moses is recorded to have killed only one person in Egypt - a mistake, a manslaughter crime of passiom rathsr than a premeditated first degree mutder. He regretted it and ran away from his privileged royal-Egyptian position, and had forty years to repent in Midian before returning to lead his Jewish people out of bondage..Just to correct that record...I was there (in spirit).Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:BolajiIt shows how influential the KJV remains under imperialism.It will be good to hear from those who know Greek what they were translating from to arrive at so much liberty with words that mock rebels against Rome and revolutionaries as bad men, thieves, robbers, murderers, and bandits just as Jesus was represented as a criminal by the Romans and Mandela was officially labeled a terrorist by the West.The unrepentant Moses was shown grace after killing so many in Egypt because grace is not earned through repentance or tithing.In the history of knowledge, the majority does not always carry the vote.Biko--
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:Biko:There you have it is all I can say from these 101 translations. Thieves, robbers, outlaws, criminals, bandits, rebels, revolutionaries, insurrectionists, murderers - bad guys both!But one became penitent on the Cross next to Christ and landed in Paradise - a prime example of unbaptized, unmerited grace!There is hope yet for everybody ..Bolaji Aluko--
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:You may be right that King Jim was not alone in the fear and disgust at rebels and revolutionaries. A lot of the versions that called them thieves, outlaws or robbers may be direct plagiarism of KJV.The New International Versions call them "rebels against Rome" or simply "revolutionaries". The American revolution may have something to do with that preferenceSeeBiko--
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:Biko:Virtually all the versions that I have now looked at call the two persons on the Cross with Christ "criminals" or thieves, but nonrevolutiona (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27–28,32, Luke 23:33, John 19:18), They must be distinguished from Barrabas ("the notable prisoner...who caused insurrection and murder while at it". Mathew 27:16, Mark 15:7, Luke 23:18-19,) that was released by Pontius Pilate in place of Jesus Christ. Only John 18:40 calls Barrabas a robber.See:And there you have it.Bolaji Aluko--On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@ googlegroups.com> wrote:MobCheck other versions of the story. Only King James version called them Robbers of the Cross. Other versions called them rebels or revolutionaries.King James may have had a grudge against rebels for they chopped off the head of his grandfather, Charles.Biko--
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 6:01 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM<chidi...@gmail.com> wrote:"......but his graciousness in defeat, by Obama, and his courage to reject Trumpism, endeared him to many, in the end." (Gloria Emeagwali)
So, this was what made him the symbol of American greatness?
By the way, weren't most of those factors listed present in the electoral victories of others?
CAO.
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