Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali ,
From your point of view, hell is fast approaching here in Stockholm and that's where I and I lives - in hell - from December to March each year. Some female Swedish monkey - looks like hell – big white ape who doesn't know me at all, has never even been near me thinks that we are living in heaven and that I also think that I'm living in heaven, but fact I lived a much better life in Sierra Leone, one that she can't even imagine, 19 degrees plus the year round. Cornelius Ignoramus, where's your humility ? True, we are living on the same planet and finally , it's going to be dust to dust and that's what finally humbles all of us. Equality in dust , and that includes both the indigenes and those who want to be integrated and who will finally find integration when they bite the dust , that's the only integration they're ever going to get - when they - their bodies and bones are finally interred in their graves and become one with the manure. I've told my Better Half not to worry , that we are going to be buried side-by -side in the same cemetery. If it's truth you're looking for then this too is true:
"The grave's a fine and private place,.
But none, I think, do there embrace
Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali : Heaven !
The other place , where we shall live, (in the Garden of Eden )
Re- "Jesus rejected Judaism and Judaism rejected him, and still does so."
When I read this first sentence I thought that it was another profound Today's Quote or Poetic Thought from Chidi the Biafran , this time with the express aim of provoking another senseless, endless round of theological tittle-tattle, in tune with the we the people who are darker than blue
" We're just good for nothing they all figure
A boyish, grown up, shiftless jigger"
I don't know, just like all the people and peoples who believe that the creator and lord of the universe HIMSELF , was born on planet earth in mortal flesh as a Jewish baby, impregnated by the Holy Ghost , legally born to Joseph the carpenter's wife the virgin Mary in a lowly cowshed in Bethlehem in Palestine which was then a province of Rome , under Roman occupation which explains how the Roman Military executed him ( for sedition?) and thereby brought his mortal existence to an end although , no doubt the soul lives on - as it is said ( the shortest sentence in the Christian Scriptures" Jesus wept" - and those tears evaporated and are still in circulation....
It's interesting to note the story of Bar Kamtza and Kamtza a tragic example of the consequences of sinat chinam (baseless hatred) and how the second Temple was destroyed by the Romans.
Re - "Jesus rejected Judaism..."
This is insane. And Jesus did not create "Christianity" either. Jesus was not a Christian. At best and at worst maybe he wanted to " reform" Judaism? And Paul of course never met or knew Jesus, personally ( nor did His Holiness Pope Benedictus Erectus or the Archbishop of Canterbury, or Pastor Adeboye
Jesus did not reject Judaism.
According to the Gospel of Matthew which seems to have been aimed specifically at the Chosen People, Israel (all of Jesus disciple were Jews) this is what Jesus is reported to have said :
Matthew 5:17-20 ( King James Version )
" Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."
There is an interesting discussion between Jacob Neusner // Rabbi Jacob Neusner and the Jesus that we know through the Gospel according to Matthew, published as A Rabbi talks with Jesus ( the pdf available through this link)
The second part of that statement is correct, "Judaism rejected him and still does". I don't think that Judaism rejects him as a Jew ( although his genealogy, according to the Gospel of Matthew is atrociously faulty) but Judaism certainly rejects him as the Jewish Messiah . Judaism says, " You're not him!"
Jesus, you're not The Mashiach
Check it out : Judaism: False Messiah
"As for Islam"?
As for Islam, the Quran states unequivocally that all the Hebrew Prophets of Israel were Muslims; I don't know if Jesus spoke Arabic very well but Islam says that Jesus was also a Prophet of Islam; that he was no son of Allah , that Allah does not have a wife or wives or any sons. The Quran has much to say about Jesus' mother Mary, in fact there is a whole chapter of the Quran devoted to her : Surah Maryam. The Quran also attributes many miracles to Jesus , such as speaking words of wisdom from the cradle, giving life to a bird to fly etc. ( but some dis-believing people are impervious to miracles and not at all impressed by them.) The Quran asserts that Jesus was or is the Jewish Messiah, that he was a prophet of Islam ( Prophet Isa ) and that Muhammed ( S.a.w) is the last Prophet, the seal of all the prophets; but most importantly the Quran says that " the Jews should no boast that they killed Jesus, son of Mary" that Jesus did not die on the cross – and all this has some implications for Christianity: not the son of Allah ( God) and did not die on the cross ? No crucifixion means no resurrection and these three features, the only begotten son of God (begotten not created) his crucifixion and his resurrection are the centrepiece, the axis of Christianity - therefore some of the Christian theologians believe that the Quranic positions are antiChrist , or anti-Christ , maybe even anti-Semitic...
In excelsis Emeagwali, I was equally nonplussed when I first heard that the title of Ngugi Wa Thiong'o's new book was " Devil on the Cross" , I feared the worst and at that point was sure that Ngugi was never going to be awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature – that Sir Salman Rushdie would be a more favourite choice for the now much beleaguered Swedish Academy ( sometimes I wonder which authors of which holy books would have been awarded the Nobel Prize , posthumously , Bible, Gita or Quran ? Moses, Paul, Krishna or Muhammed ?)
I really don't want to dwell on this:
Since I'm much more acquainted with Islam than with Christianity I leave you with these three
Rabbi Mizrachi on Christianity
By the way, I haven't reda this over.
Cheers!
On Thursday, 13 September 2018 08:25:28 UTC+2, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
Jesus rejected Judaism and Judaism rejected him, and still does so. Correct me if I am wrong on that. As for Islam,
the Imams and other religious scholars want proof that Jesus was a son of God, and not just another
charismatic prophet claiming divinity. Apparently, nail scars, levitation, empty tombs, and fish banquets don't impress these doubting jezebels- destined to hell fire. Needless to say that hell, for me, is -20 degrees on a really cold day in Connecticut.
It's a complicated world.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com > on behalf of Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:51 AM
To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: THOUGHT FOR TODAY:. OnProfessor Aluko ,
Cornelius Ignoramus is eternally grateful to you ; for all I know I would have gone into my grave still believing that Bar Abbas was one of the two thieves crucified with Jesus. Let's hope that Mahmoud Abbas does not meet with the same fate, because that would only strengthen anti-Semitism in both the Christian, the Arab and the Muslim world. (Buddhists are not anti-Semitic; I cannot vouchsafe for all Hindus because since beef is not halal or kosher for the Hindus , Hindus must be in despair of other religionists killing their holy cows "in the name of God" and having their steaks and other body parts for dinner. Eating meat makes people more aggressive. Vegetarians are more highly regarded; vegetarians are less prone to violence, more non-violent. Paradoxically, Mister Hitler was a vegetarian?)
Still eternally grateful for the link that has caused me to be impressed by Cornelius ( the God-fearing Roman centurion ) especially because he wanted to observe all of the commandments.
There is some confusion about fearing God - as in "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of HASHEM" // "The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord" - fear in the form of awe
Did Jesus reject Judaism? Have only read the Four Gospels. Have still not read Acts of the Apostles or Paul's Letters or the other epistles. Or the Apocrypha . Does everything have to be so difficult? Still ignorant.
In the meantime, I'm listening to this Rabbi
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 19:10:41 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:
Professor Cornelius:
Well, keep on giving us your insights, as Cornelius in the Bible, brief as he appeared, did:
By the way, the Penitent Thief (Dismas, according to the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus, or Demas, etc) is a Catholic Church saint:
So one man's revolutionary is another man's thief, and one man's thief is another man's saint!
Wanders will never seize!
Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's refreshing to know that one man's freedom fighter can be regarded as the other man's rebel, murderer and terrorist such as the Jihad clan known as Boko Haram...
It's so interesting, following this discussion between dear Bolaji and dear Biko, the professor of criminology who wants to decriminalise and de-colonise the justice system and our professor of chemical engineering – an avid political commentator - about the the faith (and belief ?) of the revolutionary nationalist freedom fighter Barabbas the zealot , one of the two other persons crucified along with Jesus , that day promised , "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise!"
I read of other zealots here on the way to paradise or to the other place...
As to our difficulties with the Greek Testament, like the Bard, knowing "little Latin and less Greek" I occasionally consulted with Brother Akonte Braide (self-taught New Testament Greek scholar) and ( I'll never forget) this was not too long after being nearly drowned by my fanatical Igbo Christian Brethren in what they called " Full Immersion Baptism " in that river in Umuahia. They must have been fancying themselves as some kind of John the Baptiser of the new dispensation and that their local river was flowing with the same holy water as the River Jordan in Jesus' Israel
Now, years later one has come to learn and understand that the Greek of the "New Testament" ( so called) is in fact some kind of pidgin Greek (like pidgin English) – just as today's Italian could be properly or improperly regarded as "pidgin Latin" by the same Stiff upper lip Nigerian English Language police and twenty-first century language purists who say today, "not even the Buckingham Palace classical Greek of the Greek philosophers" by whom some of the Diaspora culture Jews like Saul turned Paul had obviously been deeply affected – as a result of which we got the Biblical exegesis of Chapter 1, verse 1 of the Gospel according to John (King James Version) :" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us " (Jesus) – what's translated as " The Word " is the Greek term Logos ( and all the ramifications thereof
Food for thought : I'm still chewing on Baba Kadiri saying that if the Almighty wants to talk to him, He had better do so in Yoruba. I suppose that the Hebrew Faithful invoke the same argument when objecting to any real, fake or purported revelations from Him to them , not communicated to them via the Holy Tongue , especially after he point when with Malachi the Prophetic cycle had already come to an end.
Claude Kayat did considerable research when writing "The Thirteenth Disciple" ("Den trettonde lärjungen") and more than once, has recommended to me Understanding The Difficult Words of Jesus - for a better understanding of the Gospels...
On Tuesday, 11 September 2018 15:51:00 UTC+2, Bolaji Aluko wrote:
Biko:
Moses is recorded to have killed only one person in Egypt - a mistake, a manslaughter crime of passiom rathsr than a premeditated first degree mutder. He regretted it and ran away from his privileged royal-Egyptian position, and had forty years to repent in Midian before returning to lead his Jewish people out of bondage..
Just to correct that record...I was there (in spirit).
Bolaji Aluko
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Bolaji
It shows how influential the KJV remains under imperialism.
It will be good to hear from those who know Greek what they were translating from to arrive at so much liberty with words that mock rebels against Rome and revolutionaries as bad men, thieves, robbers, murderers, and bandits just as Jesus was represented as a criminal by the Romans and Mandela was officially labeled a terrorist by the West.
The unrepentant Moses was shown grace after killing so many in Egypt because grace is not earned through repentance or tithing.
In the history of knowledge, the majority does not always carry the vote.
Biko
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Biko:
There you have it is all I can say from these 101 translations. Thieves, robbers, outlaws, criminals, bandits, rebels, revolutionaries, insurrectionists, murderers - bad guys both!
But one became penitent on the Cross next to Christ and landed in Paradise - a prime example of unbaptized, unmerited grace!
There is hope yet for everybody ..
Bolaji Aluko
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
You may be right that King Jim was not alone in the fear and disgust at rebels and revolutionaries. A lot of the versions that called them thieves, outlaws or robbers may be direct plagiarism of KJV.
The New International Versions call them "rebels against Rome" or simply "revolutionaries". The American revolution may have something to do with that preference
See
Biko
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Mobolaji Aluko<alu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Biko:
Virtually all the versions that I have now looked at call the two persons on the Cross with Christ "criminals" or thieves, but nonrevolutiona (Matthew 27:38, Mark 15:27–28,32, <a title="s:Bible (King James)/Luke" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px currentColor; border-image: none; line-height: inherit;" href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikis
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