Wednesday, October 31, 2018

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - TOO MUCH ADO ABOUT CERTIFICATE

Toyin:

People also burned and killed people in the SW in the days of the Wild Wild West and in the second republic in Nigeria.  So that attitude is not the exclusive preserve of the Muslim North as you imply.

What is the the educational status of Donald Trump and how has that aided his quest for power and his administrative style?  He is also a contemporary American President and does not belong to the age of Lincoln. Donald Trump said worse things than Buhari yet he was elected President.  Can you remove him? Do you still not desire to go and live among such people as elected Trump?  So what's different about Nigeria?

Beware of the bigotry that you accuse the whole of the Muslim North of.  You contradict yourself by saying Buhari educated his daughter to a Law degree.  That means he recognizes his daughter belongs to a different generation from his.  He is not to be judged as belonging to his daughters generation.


Good education is desirable as the writer admits (so this is just making a mountain of a mole hill.)  After all he admits even traditional rulers are nowadays well educated

(Prof) Jibrin (Ibrahim) is from the Muslim North.  He understands the value of education and is more highly educated formally than you are. Does that mean you can not intelligibly  interract with him? No!  Does that disqualify him from being seen as a member of the Muslim North? No!

Dies the Nigerian Constitution say the President must have university a degree?  If not Buhari did no wrong by offering himself for election without a degree until the Constitutiin is changed

Bigotry is in every locale North or South.  Beware you are not an unsuspecting perennial victim.


OAA

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Date: 31/10/2018 11:30 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - TOO MUCH ADO ABOUT CERTIFICATE

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another pro-buhari massage?

perhaps all to support a man who has never bothered to gain a self or institutionally administered education? whose crass provinciality is evident in his administration and what he has to say to the public?

Buhari represents the negativities of Nigeria's Muslim North, a slice of that population that has no business in Nigerian govt.

have you ever reasoned that it is only from the Muslim North that anyone will dare present himself for the Presidency with little  certifiable education?

Nobody from the South would do that. It will not be accepted by either Southerners or Northerners.

Why is it so?

Partly bcs the Northern Muslim candidates can trust on the unwavering support offered by religio-ethnic bigotry of their kind of ethno-religious compact,  the kind that leads to the massacre of innocents bcs their candidate has  lost an election ( pro-Buhari massacres 2011) ,  as different from the more cosmopolitan Islam of the SW.  That ethno-religious clannishness is the primary strength of Northern Muslim politics in opposition to the South.

Those in the South, however, will not demonstrate such intense clannishness  but some are ready to blind themselves in support of such a clannish culture, such as through trying to sell to the public a story that you cant sell to your own child of why you do need not bother with significant education.

After all, without the piece of paper called a degree, one might not be politically  intelligent enough to get elected as Nigerian President as those without that sheet of paper have succeeded in doing.

You are not going to ask your son or daughter to emulate US Presidents of centuries ago in a time when  their country  was just beginning to develop a definite identity, where many values and the significance of many institution were still fluid.

You are not going to advice your child to ignore the fact that for perhaps a century now the standard education for US Presidents is an Ivy League education, an unwritten rule that, almost without exception, any serious aspirant to the highest levels of US govt is well aware of and does their best to abide by.

You have chosen to ignore the fact that the largely uneducated Buhari made sure he educated his daughter in a law degree in the UK. He did not give to his daughter the advice you are now giving to Nigerians, most likely in his support.

Why must some insist on low standards for Nigeria?

Standards they will not wish for themselves or their loved ones.

Invoking nations that have developed a superb systems of government in comparison with a country that is significantly akin to a jungle, where the govt itself is a terrorist enabler, where even the law does not do very much to restrain the powerful or the desperate.

well done sir.

toyin

On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 13:38, Anthony Akinola <anthony.a.akinola@gmail.com> wrote:
  TOO MUCH ADO ABOUT CERTIFICATE

Voluminous constitutions are symptomatic of the distrust a people have about themselves. It is assumed that a people cannot be reasonable and patriotic,every rule governing their behaviour must be spelt out in black and white.This would seem to be the case in Nigeria,with its cumbersome constitution, where every rule of democratic governance  is assembled, albeit in confusing and contradictory wordings.

One knows of a nation that is governed without a written constitution. There is not a document that is called the British Constitution, democratic governance derives its legitimacy from customs and tradition. Yet, Britain is one of the most orderly geographical entities in the world-a nation that once superintended governance in many overseas colonies.

Even in the United States of America, the nation with the first written constitution , not everything is packed into the constitution. The American constitution is a very slim document, readable and easy to comprehend even by those with minimal education. There is no reference to political party in their constitution, and neither is their a requirement that the President must acquire a certain level of education. It is enough that a candidate for that position has attained the age of 35,and he or she is a natural born citizen of America, or a resident within the USA for a minimum of 14 years.

Much as the letters of any constitution must be respected, one honestly thinks that the requirement of education for President should no longer be generating controversy in a modern society. It should by now be taken for granted that whoever shall be President of Nigeria would be educated, otherwise the collective intelligence of the citizenry is insulted.Such a requirement should not be in the constitution.
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Even then, it is the democratic right of the people to decide who their leader is. Paper qualification may not necessarily mean that one is politically-intelligent. Abraham Lincoln, one of the greatest presidents of the USA, is said to have had only about a year of formal schooling of any kind. His successor, Andrew Johnson, is said to have had no formal schooling of any kind.

Lest one gets me wrong, one is not saying that education is not important and neither is one holding brief for any politician. What one is trying to assert is that there are things we must now take for granted in the 21st century. Even in our local communities, contemporary traditional rulers are well-educated and sophisticated individuals. Gone is the era when the traditional ruler was that kola-chewing individual, very eloquent at reciting incantations.

Anthony Akinola,
Oxford, UK.

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