Dialogues: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series

Ibrahim:

Pre capitalism, agrarian societies, consumer societies, capitalist, dictatorship, developed, underground, under developed, etc etc generate ways of thinking, semiotics, semi optics, etc etc

These ways of thinking can be located in time, contextualized, generalized, particularized, anatomized, aggregated, disaggregated, localized, globalized.

Who is doing what?

What matrix?

What is the narrative politics?

etc.

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On Dec 8, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Ibrahim Abdullah <ibdullah@gmail.com> wrote:

What is African? What makes anything African? Is extended family an African thing? What makes communal values a peculiarly African thing when communalism existed in almost every society on earth? Communal values, now re-baptised as Ubuntu, has been put forward as an African thing!!!

I think we should be careful to label anything African or European or American if we cannot demonstrate its origin/rootedness/peculiarity to a particular people or place at a precise time in the past or present. Extended family existed in Europe and was destroyed by capitalism. Same with communal values that cultural nationalists now call Ubuntu.

If your claim is that there is an African logic demonstrate to us how African that logic is. And African science or African mathematics! What makes a method of understanding society the property of any people or country when two different societies can thread the same path and arrive at the same conclusion independently?

There is something that it particularly questionable about labeling without demonstrating provenance. National does spur scientific enquiry but crass nationalism takes us nowhere!

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On 8 Dec 2018, at 21:12, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

Dr. Afolayan:

I thought in logic, the first question to Ibrahim would have been:

"What do you mean?"

I don't really understand what he meant. If logic is a mode of reasoning (valid or faulty) or a branch of semiotics, or as a sequence of events (as in the reasons that led to the wars in Sierra Leone), etc. then there will be specificities and particularities to it.

Or is Ibrahim referring to the technics and science of logic---criteria that shape validity?

I just don't know, as in my own logic, Ibrahim, a distinguished scholar, must have a logic that determines the criteria of laughability, as he has done his inferences from universalizing China, Africa, and rest.

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From: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 3:02 PM
To: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Logic of Blaming

Oga Abdullah,

How is something like African logic laughable? Would you please first apprise yourself of the real and robust debate and discourse going on in this field? Would you not also have found the debate on whether or not there is an African philosophy laughable when the debate commenced in the early 70s in Congo, Benin Republic and Nigeria? What about African history or African literature?

Unlike the debate about "African science," the debate about African logic is a genuine debate about the structure of reasoning, inferences and evidence in African contexts. And i can tell you, dear sir, that it is anything but laughable. There are so many differences between two-valued, three-value and multi-valued logic systems that raise the question of whether the laws of thoughts are universal.

Adeshina Afolayan, PhD
Department of Philosophy
University of Ibadan

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On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 9:48:55 PM GMT+1, Ibrahim Abdullah <ibdullah@gmail.com> wrote:

There is African? And there is Chinese logic? English logic? And Nigerian logic?

This is really laughable!!!

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On 8 Dec 2018, at 20:12, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

We need more departments of African logic indeed. Interrogation of the premises, in the context of political economy etc. would certainly be vital or we risk sinking into retrogressive discourses. Anyway, let
the doyens of philosophy such as Afolayan,Bewaji etc. enlighten us on this.

GE

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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The Logic of Blaming

You need a refreshing weekend. You do. Don't mind Obododimma with that
"Our Odelele Choice." Now, you need to know something more about
blaming others, especially when it has been made a family business. I
would like you to have "The Logic of Blaming" this weekend.

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