Hehehehe. So funny. The anecdotal analogy is apt, although I also think Falola is having fun playing the devil's advocate.
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My Dear Oga Moses:You wrote "Anybody can claim anything. A historian of all people should know better than to valorize the claims of people who purport to see into the realm of the unknown, predict the future, see into past events, etc."Does it mean that you can also claim or make up things? I know cultural relativism has had its critics, but it should guide what we say to colleagues and our perspectives on what may appear "abnormal" to us. And here, I am on the slopes of moral relativism, I guess!Kwabena
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigeria is Doomed and Her Academics are Culpable--Gloria,
Gloria, you can raise a straw man and proceed to knock it down if it tickles your fancy. I stated in my response to Okey Ukaga that I know of many instances where investigators (both local police and FBI) consulted psychics in their investigations of crimes. They are not a military organization engaged in military intelligence gathering, are they? In most of these cases consulting is not even the right word since it was the psychics that approached the investigators claiming to be able to help. If I'm an investigator desperate to crack a case--especially a cold case-- will I turn down the offer of help from anyone? No. I will explore it and cover all leads. So the issue comes down to whether crimes have been solved by psychics or not. Anybody can claim anything. A historian of all people should know better than to valorize the claims of people who purport to see into the realm of the unknown, predict the future, see into past events, etc. The question I posed earlier is simple and you're evading it: has any modern military, including the US military ever put ESP and other psychic techniques into operational use? Now you say it does not matter if they actually used it successfully. And of course you're silent on whether any modern military has or still uses such techniques beyond simply researching and abandoning it for lack of merit.
Even the Nigerian police to the best of my knowledge would not look favorably on consulting "ghosts and spirits" in their investigations but here we have a Professor being applauded by generals for urging them to rely on ghosts and spirits in their military intelligence work and we are defending that crap.
--On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
--You are just as bad as the professor. He cannot stand back and engage in a cool headed analysis- but neither can you, apparently.. How about engaging in some serious research into the U.S Stargate project and letting us know the outcome of such an investigation? Are scholars not supposed tohave an open investigative mind in their research?
The issue here is this:
Have the US FBI and CIA etc ever used psychics? Yes or no?Whether the outcomes were successful or not is not the issue.
I have no vested interest in this discussion but I remember shaking my head years agowhen the Chanda Levy case surfaced. The issue about the FBI use of psychics wasopenly discussed then.
Now as for your man at the NDA, well that is another story for another day.
He does not have much credibility, given the way he approached the subject.I never said that he did - so don't put words in my mouth, so to speak.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department, Central Connecticut State University
www.africahistory.netChief Editor- "Africa Update"www.vimeo.com/gloriaemeagwali
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries2014 Distinguished Research Excellence Award in African StudiesUniversity of Texas at Austin2019 Distinguished Africanist AwardNew York African Studies Association
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Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigeria is Doomed and Her Academics are CulpableGloria,
The CIA investigated ESP and other mind control technics and claims and even experimented with using psychedelic drugs to induce that effect. They were acting on claims that those techniques work to extract information from prisoners of war, make people do things they would not normally do, and that the Soviets were using them. The CIA poured millions of dollars into the investigation over several years, found the claims to be bogus, and abandoned the entire research/investigation. They never actually used it since they couldn't prove its veracity. ESP and claims about mind control and mind altering with or without drugs are not the same as using "ghosts and spirits" but even if they were, why are we dignifying something that was investigated with millions of dollars and found to be useless and bogus? Why is the Nigerian military inviting someone who peddles that kind of discredited crap to lecture our generals, to urge them to use the discredited nonsense of using ghosts and spirits for military intelligence gathering?
As I stated, I know of no police case in the US that has ever been solved with psychic consultation. Your own story that you posted says as much.
Let's not dignify tragic academic nonsense. I see a case of pandering here. I abhor pandering. I don't even want people to pander to me. If you catch me peddling BS, call me out directly on it. Especially if the BS is a dangerous one that may harm the vital work of the military in a country beset by several threats to her sovereignty.
--On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 2:13 PM Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
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The first time I heard of psychics and the FBI was in terms of the death of a Washingtonintern named Chandra Levy. CNN alluded to this matter in a Dec. 2007 articleentitled "Visions of death. Can psychics see what detectives cannot."In that article they point to Kathlyn Rhea a psychic investigator in Californiawith some successes. One critic points to numerous dead end cases.
But this is not to endorse the professor. He can't even spell.
What about the CIA and psychics? I did a quick check and found out about the Stargate project that built on a secret US army unit established a 20 million dollar project in the 1970s to investigate potential psychic phenomena including extrasensory perception.
GE
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