The late Oyin Ogunba was Ijebu. A Yoruba group with a reputation for dabbling into juju and occultism. He shocked me in a tutorial by alleging juju does not work and that at potential demonatratio s to which he was invited something happened at the last moment that made the demo stration to be aborted.
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-------- Original message --------From: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>Date: 08/05/2019 00:48 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigeria is Doomed and Her Academicsare Culpable
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--I hope that many of you have also heard, in some Christian circles, that Obama practiced occultism in the White House!
The occult is a reality in many societies, most especially in Africa.
As Toyin Adepoju does, there is the academic side, but there is also the practical side.
The Marabout, the Pastor and the Babalawo are using different media.
TF
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From: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
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Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 at 6:38 PM
To: dialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigeria is Doomed and Her Academics are Culpable
You are just as bad as the professor. He cannot stand back and engage in a cool headed analysis- but neither can you, apparently.. How about engaging in some serious research into the U.S Stargate project and letting us know the outcome of such an investigation? Are scholars not supposed to
have an open investigative mind in their research?
The issue here is this:
Have the US FBI and CIA etc ever used psychics? Yes or no?
Whether the outcomes were successful or not is not the issue.
I have no vested interest in this discussion but I remember shaking my head years ago
when the Chanda Levy case surfaced. The issue about the FBI use of psychics was
openly discussed then.
Now as for your man at the NDA, well that is another story for another day.
He does not have much credibility, given the way he approached the subject.
I never said that he did - so don't put words in my mouth, so to speak.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department, Central Connecticut State University
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From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Moses Ebe Ochonu <meochonu@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Nigeria is Doomed and Her Academics are Culpable
Gloria,
The CIA investigated ESP and other mind control technics and claims and even experimented with using psychedelic drugs to induce that effect. They were acting on claims that those techniques work to extract information from prisoners of war, make people do things they would not normally do, and that the Soviets were using them. The CIA poured millions of dollars into the investigation over several years, found the claims to be bogus, and abandoned the entire research/investigation. They never actually used it since they couldn't prove its veracity. ESP and claims about mind control and mind altering with or without drugs are not the same as using "ghosts and spirits" but even if they were, why are we dignifying something that was investigated with millions of dollars and found to be useless and bogus? Why is the Nigerian military inviting someone who peddles that kind of discredited crap to lecture our generals, to urge them to use the discredited nonsense of using ghosts and spirits for military intelligence gathering?
As I stated, I know of no police case in the US that has ever been solved with psychic consultation. Your own story that you posted says as much.
Let's not dignify tragic academic nonsense. I see a case of pandering here. I abhor pandering. I don't even want people to pander to me. If you catch me peddling BS, call me out directly on it. Especially if the BS is a dangerous one that may harm the vital work of the military in a country beset by several threats to her sovereignty.
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 2:13 PM Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
Police psychics have so saturated popular culture that the concept borders on the cliche. There was a time, however, when the Department of Justice took the matter very seriously - not only were instances reported of the police using psychics, there were studies on the matter, and even guidance issued by the DOJ.
I have heard of the FBI using psychics but not the military.
The first time I heard of psychics and the FBI was in terms of the death of a Washington
intern named Chandra Levy. CNN alluded to this matter in a Dec. 2007 article
entitled "Visions of death. Can psychics see what detectives cannot."
In that article they point to Kathlyn Rhea a psychic investigator in California
with some successes. One critic points to numerous dead end cases.
But this is not to endorse the professor. He can't even spell.
What about the CIA and psychics? I did a quick check and found out about the Stargate project that built on a secret US army unit established a 20 million dollar project in the 1970s to investigate potential psychic phenomena including extrasensory perception.
GE
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