i am not pleased i wrote this line in my last response to Olayinka Agbetuyi-
'I dont expect you to bcs you dont have the stamina.'
a person does not have to be keen on prolonging debates all the time.
i also recall that i have found Olayinka very stimulating as an interlocutor, particularly when he is critiquing my position.
my essay series on ogboni began as a response to a critique by himself and another member on this group.
thanks
toyin
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 09:12, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
Olayinka,Stop invoking the so called entire listserve and speak for yourself.Focus on strategic issues.Your President is a terrorist.He has long demonstrated the mindset of a terrorist that is why I will always detest him as long as he remains so.Whatever his limitations, GEJ did not empower Niger Delta militants on a terrorist derive across Nigeria.You demanded I demonstrate that Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation has severally owned up to and justified massacres by Fulani herdsmen militia.I did so.You demanded I demonstrate that various Fulani organisations have celebrated and publicly identified with that strategy.I did that.You are yet to respond to my demonstration.Buhari is yet to question, talk less arrest Miyetti Allah leadership, at the apex of which are the Sultan of Sokoto and the Emir of Kano, an organisation that is able to defy the laws of states and the entire country and walk free, covered in the blood of hundreds, if not more, of innocent Nigerians.Whatever is being said by T.Y Danjuma, Olusegun Obasanjo, Apostle Suleiman and other Nigerians who have last woken up in the afternoon of a bloody day, I have been saying since 2015 and knew of it well before 2015.Bros, focus on my allegation of a terrorist drive across Nigeria by right wing Fulani as demonstrated by the evidence of the actions of Miyetti Allah and other Fulani organisations with Buhari as the coordinator of this initiative.I anticipate your effort to take apart my demonstration of Miyetti Allah and other Fulani organisations justifying massacres of innocent Nigerians by Fulani herdsmen militia and the implications of this development.I dont expect you to bcs you dont have the stamina.You normally rely on Salimonu Kadiri, another denier of reality but even Kadiri realizes that the battle agst reality has been lost.Please speak for your self and challenge the evidence I have provided.Its not about calling anyone names, its about examining history as to its facts and implications.I await, sir.ToyinOn Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 20:26, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:--Toy in.
This is why I categorize you as a bigot. The whole list serve is my witness ( including some people from the East your usual supporters in this sort of argument.) Your struggle throughout has been that a southern leader had been dislodged by an inferior northern leader. What made GEJ a better leader than Buhari? Because he is not Fulani? So you would have preferred GEJ to exploit a lacuna in The Nigerian Constitution to effectively get three terms while northerners are thereby left in the cold for such a legthy period out of power simply because a southerner is the beneficiary. Why all the hue and cry against northern military hegemony during the military era then? You are a classic example of Nietzches position that when the oppressed ask for redress they are not asking for equity and fairness but a reversal of positions. Hence the oporessor should not relent. Well both you and Neitzche are wrong!
Yes IIkheloa may have said critique of GEJ ought not to have translated to endorsement of Buhari. Which better candidate was put forward? Moses has gone beyond the apology you credit to him which made him one of your Buhari- hate acolytes. As a true scholar he has examined why the Nigerian system is to blame for producing ineffective leaders. Farooq too has joined the followership ( inadvertently) in who is to blame for poor leadeship as prompted by the Chief (TF)
So you are now left all alone in this business of bigotry as you originally were before fortuitously snapping at temporary allies provided by sudden twists of events which you grab as poof of your prophetic prescience.
You were citing Danjuma and Obasanjo and not the level headed intellectual disposition of Iyorchia Ayu. Danjuma was speaking as a believed soldier with the mentality of a soldier which is basically all he was in his publuc life. Obasanjo' s views are not reliable on this account because he was hand in glove in creating the Fulanisation foisted on the country by ensuring both leader and opposition leader are Fulani in his miscalculated attempt to get rid of Buhari for not listening to his dictates. Aare Abiola has identified this trait of always wanting to be the power behind the throne by Obasanjo in his own bid for the presidency.
Go on with your unhelpful divisive campaign of ethnic bigotry. The Nigerian nation will rise above and beyond you and leave you behind!
OAA.
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So, at last Farooq's struggle agst all odds can now be clearly seen for its value.
I have often wondered why even crude dictators like Idi Amin and Sani Abacha lasted so long in their nations.
Along with the creation of a climate of fear, they had the support of various constituencies.
One of such constituencies have been malleable academics.
In retrospect, I also salute Moses Ochonu for his apology on allowing himself to be persuaded to join what has now unraveled as the significantly insincere, ethnically, special interests driven anti-GEJ/pro-Buhari crusade and people like Ikhide Ikheloa who insisted that a critique of GEJ did not have to translate to support of Buhari, who is not better and whom history is showing to be operating at a different level of the abysmal, as a terrorist, than any leader of the nation in Nigeria's history.
May we always have people ready to stand for truth, even if they are in danger of being bruised in the public square.
toyin
--On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 02:11, 'Kenneth Kalu' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--Dear Prof. Falola,
Thank you for this intervention. Honestly, it has been really hard, very hard for some of us who are learners to understand how it is proper for two people to use the appellation "Association of Nigerian Scholars in Diaspora" to issue weighty public statements.
Except if it is now fashionable to call a spade by a different name, many of us thought people should have stood up to say what is right. Individuals can write what they want and put their names against their views. That is their business. But I do not see how it is right, under any interpretation, to write your OWN opinions and claim it is from an Association that can easily be associated with very clear and identifiable group of people. Anybody supporting such misrepresentation must know something that majority of the people do not know.
Thanks again.
Ken
On Friday, 7 June 2019, 18:54:43 GMT-4, Farooq A. Kperogi <farooqkperogi@gmail.com> wrote:
--Oga Falola,
It is the same "organization," which is more properly a dyad, as I've pointed out several times here. It is precisely because the group calls itself the "umbrella association of Nigerian scholars in the diaspora" that people reached out to me to find out if the "group" speaks for me since its unfailingly perpetual pro-regime stances are diametrically opposed to mine-- and to that of many diasporan Nigerian scholars.
I'll lend whatever support I can give to people who will seek legal redress from the two people who are scamming the Nigerian people into believing that they speak for me--and for other diasporan scholars who don't share their pro-regime propaganda. In fact, if no one proceeds with the threat to sue them, I will.
I'm glad that the larger import of my intervention is finally sinking in. I have more damming evidence against these people than I have publicly shared. I'll reveal more in a court of law since I'll be protected by what lawyers call absolute privilege.
I was beginning to lose faith in the quality of the moral consciousness of my colleagues when were quibbling over inanities instead of confronting the audacious confidence trickery and false pretenses of the dyad.
How could anyone not see the dishonesty in two people claiming to speak for hundreds of people who have no earthly clue that they exist, who disagree with their propaganda on behalf of government? These people maligned the US State Department for calling attention to human rights abuses in Nigeria that most of us already know about. They countenanced homophobia in a previous press release, which would get many diasporan scholars in trouble. And so on.
Farooq
Personal website: www.farooqkperogi.com
Twitter: @farooqkperogi
Sent from my phone. Please forgive typos and omissions.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 5:07 PM Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
In Toronto, words came that the impression in Abuja is that hundreds of us, including many on the Dialogue, are members.
In transit, I was told that the scholars meet regularly to review the country's progress.
I don't know whether this is the same organization that Dr Kperogi is talking about.
If so, the Association has to change its name. If not, a miscommunication may tarnish innocent people.
I was told that a group in Toronto wants to sue the Association for including them as members.
TF
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