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From: Joseph Onuorah nnamulu82@yahoo.com [talkhard] <talkhard@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 04:44
From: Joseph Onuorah nnamulu82@yahoo.com [talkhard] <talkhard@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 04:44
Raji:
You are comparing discriminatory treatment of women to slavery? Wow! Please withdraw such because while I have some agreement with your statement regarding how pushing this separation at this point, may lead to a win for Trump, I am disappointed that you would make such comparison between slavery and treatment of women. Yes, treatment of women was horrible and it still is but nothing in this world, nothing, can be compared with slavery. Slavery remains and will remain the worst injustice done to a people on this earth. Nothing is remotely close, not even holocaust! There really is no comparison.
Please allow me to expand on this horrible event in human history. Many often think of slavery as just taking some people and making them work or something that happened and stopped without understanding that slavery dehumanized the entire continent of Africa, the entire black race then and to date! It deprived Africans of humanness. It remains a major reason why Africa remains at the bottom of bottoms! Over 10 million Africans were sold or captured, dehumanized, packed like sardines and shipped across the Atlantic Ocean. A journey of over 5000 miles! Many thrown alive to the Atlantic Ocean. Many raped and children born either sold or murdered! (Some often wonder why the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico are so active and deadly...compare with the generally calm and tranquil Pacific Ocean with beautiful scenery throughout its course. I wonder about that too, notwithstanding the explanations from geography, meteorology, etc) Anyways.
Yes, slavery is a major reason why Africans and Haitians mistrust, fear and do not feel comfortable helping each other to succeed. They will rather take from them and give to others than build for them! (Of note: such mistrust and self-defeatism behaviors existed within blacks in America but they worked very hard, with psychologists, social scientists and black activists, a few white too, all helping to remove and somewhat free Blacks from the "chain of internal woes" that hitherto derailed their progress). We Africans must do same!
Slavery is why in Nigeria, the regions (mainly southern states- mostly Edos, Igbos, Yorubas, etc) that captured, dehumanized, sold their children or refused to protect their children...find it hard to enjoy cohesion. Same regions where the people easily pack and go! Same regions that despite their high percentage of degree acquisition, find it extremely hard to work together and use those degrees to make their regions and rest of the nation, better. A vacuum being daily filled by the "less educated" and not heavily populated northern regions, which dominate in key areas that control most of what happens in the nation. Many southerners blame it all on the effect of the war but that is not true! Go back to colonial days and find out why blaming it all on the civil war is nothing but a cop out. Yes, civil war contributed and/or exacerbated it but did not create the situation. Fact is that the north has a very high trust level of each other and thus very high cohesion, all borne out of the fact that their forebears, not angelic by any standards, protected them and still do. Their children in turn trust them, even as they also hold them accountable! Southerners did not and still do not protect their children. Thus, no such trust exists because no such protection was provided and even today, such is not strong! And no one is working to instill such. We must!
Going further, sorry, in USA, slavery and its cousins Jim Crow and other evil laws and policies, put in all slave states in USA (mostly the southern states) is why blacks continue to struggle. How would they not? You put a generation of people into over 400 years of evil slave treatment, "freed them", and for another 100 plus years, put in place and endure the evil Jim Crow that further deprived them of humanness, deprived them access to everything: education, housing, use of restroom, patenting their inventions, use of parks, freedom to move around, etc. Today, many expect them to compete with others who never suffered any of these. Common! These need to talk to psychologists who will explain to them that it takes double the time to destroy to re-build and that is if the "builders" know what they are doing, dedicated and honest! (I am struggling to put back a faucet that I carelessly dismantled! It took me a few minutes to dismantle it but so far, I have put in more than three hours and yet, the result is awful!) In essence, expecting blacks to be at some level as whites just because they now can go to school, drink from he same fountain, etc, is silly and in fact wicked! Yet, they, the blacks in USA, are moving pretty fast, at least faster than most African countries that retained some of their core.
Raji: sorry for my long "lecture", but my point is that, yes, women suffered and still do but their treatment is not remotely similar and cannot be compared with slavery. Not even with Jim Crow, unless one means "black women" who were in a double jeopardy situation! White women did not go through a tenth of what black women did. In fact, white women participated in propagating slavery, Jim Crow, etc. So when you talk of women which do you really mean?
Now, with regard to reparations, if I were Democrats, I would hold on this reparation thing until after they have gotten this psychopath and racist out of the White House and have control of the house and possibly senate. Pushing this now may send the votes of many whites and some blacks to Trump and that would be a disaster.
Reparation will help blacks to heal just as it will help whites to remove some pressure of guilt of the sin of slavery, Jim Crow and others that were endowed to them and nurtured by them. If I were speaking for the whites, I would encourage them to pay some reparation because once done, Blacks would lose some emotional leverage they have over whites for the sins of their forebears and fathers! Unfortunately, it will be hard for Africans to fight for reparation since they were complicit in slavery and also because they are so brainwashed by Europeans that many, regardless of their education, see slavery as having some good to it! It does not! Confounding the already ugly picture is this: Africans do not fight for the rights of their people: they instead pray to God to send his or her angels! When we fight, it is usually killing each other for selfish reasons. We love the stories put together for us by same people who dehumanized us. Such as the story about Joseph being enslaved by Egyptians and all the glamour attached to that just to deceive a generation! Today, many Africans are still waiting for a "Moses" to come take them to the promised land where they will sing alleluia, live with God/god and their angels and party forever! Yea! Park your bags! Anyways!
Take care.
Joe
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019, 11:20:44 PM EDT, 'TAJUDEEN RAJI' via Corporate Nigeria <corporate-nigeria@googlegroups.com> wrote:
IMO - the Democratic Party will once again lose to Trump in the next presidential election if they make the issue of reparation for slavery as one of their agendas and push it in convincing voters to vote for them. It is backward thinking and will result in a low turn out of the important black votes while energizing the other side. We saw how the turn out of the black votes for Obama got him the job, twice.
The issue of reparation for slavery is divisive and unaffordable. Considering that other groups where also discriminated against e.g. women were not allowed to vote, open a bank account, own properties. Yes, women were also at some time treated like slaves.
If one vote yes on reparation for black people, one must vote yes on reparation for women and other oppressed and enslaved groups. Where will it stop? Reparation is a divisive and unaffordable agenda and the Democratic Party should put a lid on that agenda before the general election of 2020.
Thanks,
Tajudeen Raji
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