Since you are now equating Niger Delta militants and Boko Haram, I declare that there are some kinds of polemics i am not sure i want to spend my time on.
Oga, please be careful about the depth to which you push yourself just bcs you are looking to for something to say in a debate.
As for negotiating with Boko Haram, the GEJ govt tried practically everything possible, including offering them amnesty. They responded that it is they who should grant amnesty to the President, not the other way round.
toyin
On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 at 00:39, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Miyetta Allah asked for compensation only because they saw that Jonathan rewarded Niger Delta terrorists by paying them off while waging war against Boko Haram.thus becoming the President that set the bad precedence. That may be the context of your oft quoted statement by Buhari that war against Boko Haram is war against the North
The northern friends of Obasanjo complained to him which was why he accused Jonathan of running Nigeria as if it were his private estate. That ultimately led to the North and the South West backing Buhari against him.
But to you he did no wrong.
OAA
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--Salimonu,
On Terrorism by Right Wing Fulani
Using Impunity as a Weapon
Rather than go in detail into your efforts to distort reality, I wonder, is it not strange that neither Miyetti Allah or any Fulani organisation is making efforts to deny that they actually commit massacres of Nigerians and justify them?
Why are you working agst their interests?
Fulani Herdsmen Militia, their Miyetti Allah Coordinators and the SW Struggle for Self Determination in Security Issues
Nigeria faces various security threats, but the most widespread is by terrorism from right wing Fulani, using Fulani herdsmen militia as their foot-soldiers.
Fulani herdsmen terrorism has ravaged a good part of Yorubaland, along with other parts of Nigeria, as attested by victims and traditional leaders across the SW, Nigerians news reports and international terrorist watch agencies documenting their activities in terms of locations and casualties.
So, the idea of Fulani herdsmen terrorists at work in the killing of Fasoranti's daughter is a very likely possibility. It becomes almost a certainty with the accounts of the villagers.
In the face of the open collusion between Miyetti Allah, Fulani herdsmen militia and the fed govt, I dont expect that case to be resolved.
How can it be when Fulani. Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation has openly threatened the Benue state government for enacting an anti-open grazing law targeted at their terrorist members, carried out a massacre in fulfillment of their threat, and the Min.of Defence and the Inspector General of Police rush to their defense, acknowledging the massacre but blaming it on the Benue state govt?
This is not party politics in the context of which Bola Ige was killed.
This is a larger ethno-centric agenda that has its roots in terrorist culture, not simply one off political assassinations.
The dominance of the PDP at the time of Ige's assassination, of whom his own party was in opposition to, most likely leading to the no progress made on the case, is very different from the greater existential threat of terrorism by right wing Fulani rooted in Aso Rock.
Yoruba traditional rulers have been crying out that their lands are being overrun by Fulani herdsmen and Fulani kidnappers.
As is evident from a TV interview, central Yoruba cultural and political group Afenifere spokesman Yinka Odumakin is aggrieved that Amotekun does not go far enough to address a problem rooted in enablement by the Fulani led fed govt, an interview reinforcing various others he has given on the deadly politics emanating from Aso Rock.
In another TV interview, Gboyega Adejumo, the publicity secretary for the Yoruba Summit Group, speaking for the Yoruba organisations that launched Amotekun, declares that the initiative is spurred by Fulani herdsmen invasion in Yorubaland, yet, you, Salimonu, who, most likely not only have no place in the decision making chambers of Yorubaland and possibly dont even live in Nigeria, are able to declare "Amotekun was not contemplated because of Fulani herdsmen but to combat crimes in general". I wish you well as you inhabit your self created reality.
Amotekun and IPOB : The Restructure or Secession Agenda
Am I overstepping my bounds in correlating Amotekun with IPOB?
IPOB takes to a logical conclusion the same spirit that drives Amotekun, the same spirit that motivates most people in the SE, even those who dont support IPOB.
The spirit of self reliance away from the debilitating politics of the fed govt and the manipulations of a unitary Nigeria.
As the situation now stands, what is the likelihood that Nigerians will again support the criminalisation of non-violent IPOB and its branding as a terrorist movement?
People are now much more keenly aware of the character of terrorism by right wing Fulani, enabled by the Fulani led fed govt, and operational through Fulani herdsmen militia openly coordinated by Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation and its affiliates, a network run by Nigeria's most eminent Fulani.
The SW might not have understood before now the fact that all Nigerians, particularly in the South and the Middle Belt, are victims of the same politics of destruction.
I believe people are becoming better informed.
Olayinka,
The escalation in systematic terrorism by Fulani herdsmen militia with the support through policy and protection by the Fulani led fed govt since Buhari's ascension to power creates a different level of crisis.
Was Miyetti Allah, led by such pre-eminent Fulani as the Emir of Kano and the Sultan of Sokoto in the business of justifying massacres by Fulani herdsmen before Buhari's ascension in 2015?
I dont think so.
Was the Nigerian govt in the business of rewarding the killers with govt policies in their favour?
True, these terrorists have reigned even before 2015 on account of the power of right wing Northern Muslim and particularly right wing Fulani elements in Nigerian politics but they escalated their agenda on Buhari's ascension.
Are you genuinely equating Niger Delta militants with Fulani herdsmen terrorists, described in 2015 by the Global Terrorism Index as the world's fourth deadliest terror group? I wish you well in that adventure.
On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 01:03, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Fulani herdsmen/ pastoral conflicts occurred during Johnathan's presidency. How many Miyetti Allah members did he arrest or question to demonstrate he ( Jonathan )was not shielding them?
What of the amnesty Jonathan granted his terrorist Delta kinsmen? When did you ever comment on that?
OAA
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Beautiful thoughts from Salimonu.
It was wise of Tinubu to forget that terrorist Fulani herdsmen are Nigeria's greatest security threat, possibly at the same level as Boko Haram.
The various documentations by international terrorist watch agencies of their destruction across Nigeria, the various reports by Nigerians over the years, across Nigeria, of killings and rapes by Fulani herdsmen, was of course fiction.
Thus, since the cows were not present at the time of the murder, even though the villagers on the route where the killing took place identified Fulani herders who camp their cows and rob as the culprits, brigands who have long been operational on that road and agst whom the police behaved as if their hands were tied, Tinubu has a right to ignore well documented history and ask where the cows are, thereby absolving the most likely suspects, instead of simply urging that the police be allowed to come out with reports of an investigation.
Have the police arrived at anything conclusive on this crime?
It is claimed they have not.
Could that have to do with the same reason why some say Tinubu developed amnesia and was eager for evidence of cows?
Some are saying the killers are untouchables, being kinsmen and perhaps agents of someone in Aso Rock, the same someone who makes sure the terrorist coordinators Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation are never questioned talk less punished for their open terrorist campaign nor their foot soldiers brought to book.
Is that not why Amotekun was created, not bcs there are not enough national security agents but bcs they are compromised, as ex min of Defence Theophilus Danjuma has been crying out?
Lets keep watching. Who would have thought the SW would reach this point, a region a good no of whose residents were silent or oppositional as IPOB struggled for what some rightfully understand as the ultimate potential of Amotekun?
thanks
toyin
--On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 at 00:16, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
--I have intended to take a pause from the forum for a while when my nostrils were invaded with inhalation of toxic intellectual fume from professor Farooq Kperogi's brain-farting. Too paragraphs in his brain-farting will be enough for consideration here.
Hear him, "Why didn't he exercise this sort of even temper when he asked 'where are the cows?' after Chief Reuben Fasoranti's daughter was murdered in cold blood by people alleged to be herders? Tinubu might well have been right that the woman wasn't murdered by herders, but he couldn't have known that for sure since no investigation had been carried out. And he said it when emotions were still aflame.
He wrote further, ''Plus, herders who choose to murder don't take cows to the murder scene, which made his sarcastic question at once pointless, insensitive, and un-statesmanlike."
To begin with, Tinubu was at Fasoranti's residence on condolence visit over the murder of her daughter while travelling from Lagos to Benin on a highway. Tinubu was confronted with a categorical statement that the murderers were Fulani herdsmen. Tinubu asked intelligently, *Where are the cows?* The implication of Tinubu's remark was that it was senseless and irresponsible to be so categorical about the identity or occupation of the murderers when nobody had been arrested, and off course no cattle were found within or around the scene of the murder. Tinubu was appealing to the reason of the public and not their emotion. He did not ask the question to demean the murder of Fasoranti's daughter, for which he, Tinubu, was on condolence visit.
The greatest brain-farting perpetrated by Professor Farooq Kperogi on this issue is his assertion that ''herders who choose to murder don't take cows to the scene of murder.'' Simple gumption dictates that a person is a herder only, and if only, he is driving a flock of cattle. A herder ceases to be a herder the moment there are no herds of cattle he is driving. Obviously, there is no special way by which one, except perhaps the likes of professor Farooq Kperogi, can recognize or identify herdsmen if they are not in the company of the flocks of their cattle. A herdsman without cattle around him looks like any other (Northern) Nigerian. As long as the murderers of the daughter of Chief Fasoranti are yet to be apprehended it must be stupid for anybody to attribute her murderers to herdsmen. Let us look at an illustrative example. A bank is robbed in Abuja at gunpoint, resulting in the deaths of some people. Professor Farooq Kperogi speculatively claimed that the bank robbers were medical doctors. In order to know why he is so certain that the bank robbers were medical doctors, when nobody has been arrested, someone asked professor Kperogi, "Were the robbers wearing white overall coat with their syringes hanging around the neck or stocked into the ears during the robbery?" Responding to the question, Professor Farooq Kperogi said, "Medical doctors who choose to rob a bank and kill in the process don't wear white overall coat with syringes around the neck or stocked into the ears, to the scene of robbery." How then could professor Kperogi identify the Bank robbers as medical doctors? It is sad when misinformation becomes the basis for reinforcing false opinions. Tinubu may not be my first choice as a presidential candidate in 2023, but on his question, 'where are the cows?' as well as his statement on Amotekun, he has demonstrated that he is beset with very high intelligence.S. Kadiri
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Ämne: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Tinubu's Both-Sides-Of-The-Mouth Statement on Amotekun- Farooq A. Kperogi on Security and Politics in Nigeria--Tinubu's run-with-the-hare-and-hunt-with-the-hounds statement on Amotekun pretended to be statesmanlike and evenhanded but it actually only cleverly concealed its attempt to please the Aso Rock cabal.
Why didn't he exercise this sort of even temper when he asked "where are the cows?" after Chief Reuben Fasoranti's daughter was murdered in cold blood by people alleged to be herders? Tinubu might well have been right that the woman wasn't murdered by herders, but he couldn't have known that for sure since no investigation had been carried out. And he said it when emotions were still aflame.
Plus, herders who choose to murder don't take cows to the murder scene, which made his sarcastic question at once pointless, insensitive, and unstatesmanlike. Incidentally, it's the intensification of senseless, unresolved murders such as the one he taunted that inspired the formation of Amotekun.
Tinubu's neither-here-nor-there statement mirrors the duplicity and opportunism of his symbolic actions on Amotekun. For example, neither Sanwo-Olu nor his deputy, who are both beholden to him, attended the formal launch of Amotekun, and Lagos was the only Southwest state where an Amotekun solidarity rally was disrupted by the police. These actions clearly typify opposition to the security outfit.
At the same time, Tinubu's minions in the intelligentsia and his battering rams in the news media have come out strongly against the federal government's—and some northern politicians'—opposition to Amotekun.
In wanting to opportunistically appease both sides in the service of his illusive 2023 presidential bid, Tinubu will appease none in the long run.
The cold, calculating inner circle in Aso Rock is intensely aware that Tinubu's fence-sitting is an insincere, self-seeking political maneuver to appease them, and the Southwest people who were compelled to embrace Amotekun by the escalating sense of siege that unceasing mass murders by homicidal thugs have activated would be unimpressed by his ambiguity and lack of moral clarity.
People who are neither here nor there end up being nowhere, and, with time, nowhere becomes somewhere untoward.
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