--I think what Prof Ogungbemi objects to from a philosophical standpoint (philosophers are meticulous about word use) and as demonstrated by Alagba Cornelius with syllogism is your use of the word "all"
Perhaps " generally" would have been less objectionable that if just one case is found that refutes your claim you can argue that the number is negligible as you did with Alagba Cornelius.
When Professor Falola stated no collective response we can refute his claim if we found a collective response prior to his claim.
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Had Professor Segun Ogungbemi followed the discussion from the beginning, he would not have concluded that I generalized in asserting that academic and economic achievements of any Blackman are ignorable to the Whiteman either in Europe or America. Let me refresh the memory of Professor Ogungbemi with the origin of the discussion leading to my conclusion which he termed a 'general statement'.
On Tuesday, 28 January 2020, Professor Toyin Falola partly stated in his post on this forum, "To add to the urgency of the situation, we all watch as the White House devastates Nigeria, INSULTING US, ABUSING US. NO COLLECTIVE RESPONSE. Trump has threatened to reduce the number of Nigerians who visit the US. NO COLLECTIVE RESPONSE." Reacting to Professor Falola's post, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, wrote on Wednesday, 29 January 2020 thus, "I'm so pleased to read the response from Falola on the ANTI-AFRICAN/ANTI-NIGERIAN NEGATIVITIES emanating from Trump, particularly this -'Trump has threatened to reduce the number of Nigerians who visit the US. NO COLLECTIVE RESPONSE." As if he was defending the action of Trump, Adepoju stated, "I understand the argument is that Nigerians represent a high no of overstayers in the US." In his post of Friday 31 January 2020, titled : Travel Ban and A Sad Day, Professor Falola partly stated, "To those in Diaspora, it shows their powerlessness, how the exaggeration of what they do comes into clear focus. …//… All the numbers in the big cities cannot influence policy, HOW NO ONE IS AFRAID OF THE PhDs THEY PARADE AND THE LONG CVs THEY BUILD. WE CANNOT EVEN COMPLAIN. WE CANNOT EVEN MOBILIZE PROTESTS." Despite his academic achievements Professor Falola could still understand the racial aspect of Trump's recriminatory policy against Nigerians as a people. And he is lamenting that no one (in the Whiteman's controlled US) is afraid of the PhDs Nigerians parade and the long CVs they build. It is not a generalization when professor Falola said that the PhDs and the long CVs being paraded by Nigerians meant nothing to the White Americans but a recognition of the avalanche of Blackman's negative realities in the US. Let's consider some realities as they affect the Blackman in America.
During the first year of Barrack Hussein Obama in office as the President of the United States of America, Sergeant Michael James Crowley arrested Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr., an African American, at the front door to his home. The Professor was having problem with the lock to the front door of his home and was trying to force it opened. Some passers-by saw him and phoned the police to report a suspected burglar. On arrival, Sergeant Crowley was in no doubt that Professor Gates Jr. owned the house he was trying to force himself into. Yet professor Henry Louis Gates was sassed, arrested and charged to court for disorderly conduct and subsequently convicted. When the case became known to the public, Obama commented that anyone in Gate's situation would be pretty angry if they were arrested in their own home. He added that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting Gates and cited the long history of arbitrary arrests of African Americans and Latinos in the US. The white America exploded in anger against Obama who they claimed attacked the police on lawful duty. Following the furry that arose, Obama retreated by inviting sergeant Crowley and professor Gates Jr., for a beer chat in the White House. The dignity of the white Sergeant Crowley is far more greater than that of the Black Professor, Henry Louis Gates Jr. A proven racial humiliation of an African American President and an African American Professor.
On Obama's fifth year in office a vigilante Whiteman, George Zimmerman, murdered a black teenager, Trayvon Martin, in Sanford, Florida. Zimmerman, armed with a 9-mm handgun was trailing Trayvon in an area where no black person should be found and thereby suspected him to be a criminal intruder. The boy dressed in a hoodie bore nothing but candy and iced tea. The local authorities at first declined to make arrest citing the claim of Zimmerman to self-defence. A nationwide protests against the murder of an unarmed black teenager by a white vigilante erupted. Obama, the President was forced to make a statement. He said, "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids, and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this, and that everybody pulls together - federal, state, and local - to figure exactly how this tragedy happened…. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and that we're going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened." The moment Obama spoke, White America turned it into a Black President wanting to persecute a Whiteman for the murder of an unarmed Black teenager. Zimmerman set up a website to collect donations for his defence and dollar gushed in like flood. He was eventually absolved of the murder charge and the hashtag #Blacklives Matter became a trend in the US as Blacks are still being killed till date with impunity.
In the New York Times of Saturday, 23 December 2017, President Donald Trump was reported to have described Nigerians as people living in huts which they would not want to return to whenever they visit America. Thereafter in 2018, he said that Africa consists of shit-hole countries. Then in 2019, four African American women criticized the socio-economic policy of Trump's government. Trump twitted in response, "Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they come. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help, you can't leave fast enough." Three of the Black women are Americans by virtue of being descendants of Black slaves in America while the fourth became American after following her Somali refugee parents to America. All of them belong to the American democratic party of which three are members of the Congress. If Trump could ask the three democratic party women to go back to Africa to fix its socio-economic disorder, the same should apply to the African intellectuals. And as long as the socio-economic disorder in Africa persists, Nigerian (African) intellectuals in Europe and America will be held in contempt and ridicule. That this is not a generalisation is testified to by professor Toyin Falola's reaction, despite his academic achievements, to non-collective response, complaints and protests from all Nigerians to Trump's abuse and insult. Segun Ogungbemi thinks it is an unproven generalization to state that fowls do perspire and I urge him to remove their feathers to confirm that they do in fact perspire.S. Kadiri
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Ämne: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Sv: Nigerians love Trump!"All Black Africans, and regardless of their educational and economic accomplishments, have always been treated with contempt and disrespect in the US and Europe, not only because of the colour of their skin but, because of their past history as enslaved and colonized people." KadiriThis is a general statement by Kadiri cannot be proven to be true in all cases. The reasons of his proposition are because of their skin, past history of slavery and colonization.Segun Ogungbemi.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 12:40 PM Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju <toyin.adepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks Segun but could you disclose which aspect/s of Kadiri's summation you see as flawed?
toyin
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 at 13:08, segun ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:
Kadiri,With due respect, you are very wrong.Your research is not thorough and please don't make a general statement on this matter.Prof. Segun Ogungbemi.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 2:32 PM Salimonu Kadiri <ogunlakaiye@hotmail.com> wrote:
All Black Africans, and regardless of their educational and economic accomplishments, have always been treated with contempt and disrespect in the US and Europe, not only because of the colour of their skin but, because of their past history as enslaved and colonized people. When shall we, Black Africans, stop pretending to be liberal and face our historical and current racial realities so that we can really be free and independent?Racial freedom and pride are never individual but collective. If prejudice were to be personalised and individualized, there would be nothing like racism either in America, Europe, or anywhere else in the world, since every mankind would be responsible for the consequence of his or her action regardless of the skin colour. Historically and hitherto, adhering to white American middle-class norms has never shielded Black people, African American or African immigrants, from humiliation, insults and persecution in the US. Why then is it so attractive and enticing for Africans to emigrate to the US where Black Americans are known to be regularly treated as sub-citizens, sub-Americans and sub-humans on the ground of their ancestral African skin colour? No one is praising Donald Trump from banning Nigerians from immigrating to the US, rather he is being back-patted for not being hypocritical for awakening Nigerian (African) intellectuals from there slumbers, by reminding them that as long as their home continent remains economically and industrially backward as it is today, in spite of education and availability of raw materials, they can never be respected as human beings in the US, Europe or anywhere else in the globe.
In the 1960s, Muhammad Ali was prosecuted for refusing to be drafted into the US Army to fight in Vietnam. During the trial, the Judge asked him if he hated white people. Replying, Muhammed Ali told the Judge that if a lion were to suddenly enter the court room, everybody would run away from the court room, not because of hatred for lions but because of the known characters and behaviours of lions. Africans do not need Trump or any European fascist to tell them not to emigrate to America or Europe when from experience Africans know who came to capture them as slaves and where they were taken to work as slaves; who declared them, the natural resources of African land and forests as their colonial possession; who are African's oppressors and exploiters; and who are the discriminators who declared Africans as inferior human beings. The agitation for independent Africa from our enslavers and colonialists was premised on the inhuman treatments being perpetrated on us, the Africans. Yet, and since independence, we Africans have been crawling back to the same oppressors, exploiters and persecutors for economic salvation even when Europeans and Americans have been telling us not to come to them while at the same time their ships anchor daily at Africa's Sea Ports to load crude oil, copper, coltan, iron ore, agricultural products, etc., to Europe and America. At moment, thousands of Africans (mostly Nigerians) are said to be perishing daily in the Mediterranean sea while trying to sail to Europe by sea. Already in September 2014, the then President of Gambia, Yahya Jammeh , speaking at the United Nations General Assembly, called on the UN to investigate the crime of genocide on African refugee boats which he suspected were being intentionally sunk at the coast of Italy by the Italian coast guards. The major problem confronting Nigeria (Black Africa in general) today as I see it, and to borrow the expression of Malcom X, is the attitude of the African intellectual house negroes that have become accustomed to the comfort of living near their Euro-American masters and imitating their livestyle and as such have come to regard racism as an individual, and not a collective problem. The African intellectual house negroes pretend as if racism began with Donald Trump's presidency even when Klux Ku klan and Black Lives Matter, preceded his ascendant to office. Mimicing Euro-American intellectuals, the African intellectual house negroes believe that being educated in fluent spoken and written English, or French, or Spanish, or Portuguese, language and wearing European clothes have transformed them into white men. Whenever African intellectual house negroes visit Africa, they give false impression to the people at home that everywhere in Europe and the US is full of gold and diamonds. Seeing the modern day African intellectual house negroes, one is sadly reminded about the observations of the first colonial Governor General of Nigeria, Frederick John Dealtry Lugard, as stated in his 1922 book, The Dual Mandate in British Tropical Africa thus : In character and temperament the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person, lacking in self-control, discipline and foresight, …//… His thoughts are concentrated on the events and feelings of the moment, and he suffers little from apprehension for the future, or grief for the past. …//… He (the African Negro) lacks power of organisation, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. He loves the display of power, but fails to realise its responsibility. …//… He is very prone to imitate anything new in dress or custom, whether it be, …. the straw hat and trousers of the European, however unsuited to his environment and conditions of life. Perhaps the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are his lack of apprehension and inability to visualise the future and the steadfastness of his loyalty and affection. …//… The Europeanised African is indeed separated from the rest of the people which no racial affinity can bridge. He must be treated - and seems to desire to be treated - as though he were of a different race (p.69-81). No normal African should like what late Lugard said and nowadays Trump say, about us, the Africans, but why are the African intellectuals within and outside the government acting to confirm Lugard's and Trump's prejudice against the Black race?S. Kadiri
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Ämne: USA Africa Dialogue Series - RE: Nigerians love Trump!
My people, What have we become?
Have we become so hateful of ourselves, one another, and our governments, that we now find favor in the bosom of those who deride us?
After many years of leaving Ghana, studying abroad, and finding a suitable job for myself in America, after my studies, my tastes and preferences have undoubtedly changed. What I once defended as an acceptable life in Ghana in the 1980s is no longer appealing to me in 2020, with the benefit of exposure to life in North America and Europe. I visit Ghana regularly, a place I still call "Home." It is not everything I see there, and have to live with in my frequent visits, that I prefer or admire. But I am also mindful that those I left in Ghana have done so much to live their lives without me. And as much as they hate their government,, they have forged their lives within and without the political environment in which they live. In fact, they are so proud of what they have managed for themselves within that context that they would not countenance any outsider's contempt for them and their living condition. Not even one of their own returning for a visit, let alone an American president who has been so fortunate in his life that he has no idea how people in Africa, who have to deal with the consequences of America's global policies, live.
So I continue to be perplexed by how some Nigerians have held up Trump's contempt for them and their country as an acceptable, even encouraging indictment, of them and their government. Do these Nigerians lack the basic sense of pride, or hate themselves so much that they find comfort in derision? Or they hate their leaders so much that they fall in love with those who find Nigerians contemptible. That is sinking to the depths of despair.
Trump has not disguised his contempt for Nigerians and Africans. That any African will find this Trump view of them praiseworthy is unfathomable to me. And the fact that some Nigerians see Trump's assessment of them and their nation as an appropriate spur is as shocking as it is startling.
My people, the antelope might not have much meat on its hind legs, but it does not live in the forest eternally hateful of what it has to run with. The tortoise would like to trade its fatty limbs for the antelope's in the brisk and risky life of the jungle. After all, pride lies not in what others have that we would prefer, but what we are struggling, even sluggishly, to achieve that we can call our own.
If there is anything that is comforting about Trump and Trumpism to Nigerians--- and indeed all Africans---it should be that Trump exhibits the stupidity, absurdity, and incompetence of many of our leaders in Africa. He has brought the once vaunted American presidency to a level of leadership in Africa once occupied by Idi Amin and Jean Bedel Bokassa. Folks, Does this in Caesar seem worthy of love?
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Trump trashes Nigeria and bans its immigrants. Nigerians love him for it.
Tough talk, candor and resilience are admired in my country. The president is perceived to have these traits.
A busy street in Lagos, Nigeria, recently. President Trump has called for a ban on immigrants from Nigeria. (Pius Utomi Ekpei/Afp Via Getty Images)
By Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani
Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani is a Nigerian writer and journalist based in Abuja. Her debut novel, "I Do Not Come to You by Chance," was named a best book of 2009 by The Washington Post. Her latest novel is "Buried Beneath the Baobab Tree."
Feb. 7, 2020 at 11:28 a.m. CST
ABUJA, NIGERIA
President Trump doesn't want Africans flooding into his country. But let's be honest. Who really does? Certainly not any other world leader of this era. Trump just happens to be the one bold or uncaring enough to say the quiet part out loud. He's the rare white politician sparing us the trouble of deciphering what he might think. And Nigerians love him for it.
Nigerians are generally dismayed by his latest travel ban, which severely restricts immigration to the United States from our country and five others. The reason given for this collective punishment is our government's failure to share certain relevant security information with the United States and international security agencies. But the ban is not likely to dent the prevailing attitude toward Trump here. The data has been consistent for the past three years, and the most recent survey, published by the Pew Research Center in January, shows that almost 6 in 10 Nigerians believe that Trump will "do the right thing regarding world affairs."
My hairdresser, Yimi Kolo, a 37-year-old mother of four who speaks little English but listens almost all day to a radio station that transmits in pidgin English, told me last week that she just loves Trump for his toughness. He says what he is going to do, and he goes ahead and does it. Her opinion was unsolicited, inspired merely by the mention of Trump's name on the radio while she was plaiting my hair. The perception of Trump as tough, no-nonsense, blunt, pro-religion and entertaining could be in part why a majority of people in this deeply religious and most populous country in Africa like him. Like a fire eater, he swallows every challenge that comes his way: Stormy Daniels, Russia, Ukraine, impeachment. Each time it appears as if he's down, he rises, seemingly stronger. It's like watching an action movie, or the best reality show Nigerians have ever seen — expressions of wonderment and wild laughter can be heard when people gather to discuss him.
Utterances that make Americans cringe don't seem to faze. When he says or does something that Americans consider racist, I receive emails from American friends, most of whom proudly hate their president. They apologize on his behalf or express their embarrassment. And they expect that this will surely be the turning point, when Nigerians finally begin to join them in detesting Trump. "Hopefully his approval rating will go down over there," wrote my novelist friend James Hannaham. "This guy, we gotta get rid of him. So toxic! So unbearable!" But the 45th president of the United States has so far not done or said anything that Nigerians have not been able to rationalize. Not yet. Not even the travel ban.
Trump has spread more hatred of immigrants than any American in history
Trump once described African nations as "shithole" countries. Many Africans agree. Ask the multitudes risking death by drowning to escape to Europe. In 2017, the bodies of 26 Nigerian young women and girls were recovered from the Mediterranean Sea, following their attempt to reach Europe in a rubber boat. Out of 181,000 migrants who arrived by sea in Italy from Libya in 2016, about 11,000 women and 3,000 children traveling alone were from Nigeria, according to the United Nations. In 2015, the European Union agreed to a nearly 2 billion-euro trust fund for African countries to help stop migrants from reaching Europe. "EU development aid is increasingly being spent to close borders, stifle migration and push for returns of migrants to Africa," according to a report published by Oxfam in January. "European governments seem determined to prevent migration at any cost," said Raphael Shilhav, who wrote the report. Trump is giving voice to a sentiment apparently shared silently by others.
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Nigerians have never been under any illusion about the world wanting to welcome random Africans with wide-open arms, but that has not stopped us from dreaming and trying anyway. In a 2018 Pew survey, 45 percent of Nigerian adults said they planned to move to another country in the next five years — the highest percentage of any nation surveyed. On reporting trips between 2016 and 2018 to Edo state in the south, the origin of most Nigerians crossing the Mediterranean, I came across villages where the majority of the youth had left for Europe, and the people who remained were mostly elderly. I saw advertisements for church services proclaiming themes like "Abroad Must Favour My Family This Year!!!" Across Nigeria, religious meetings offer special prayers to influence the hearts of consular officials. Those seeking divine intervention in their migration plans or visa applications are invited to attend.
In the past year, Nigerians I know have had cause to pray for God's intervention, after acquiring a U.S. visa suddenly became a task more herculean than ever. People who have traveled freely to the United States for decades were suddenly being denied visas without explanation. Newspaper columns registered their shock and anger, and local media covered the alarming situation widely. Even securing an appointment at the U.S. Embassy has become difficult, with applicants sometimes waiting up to five months for a chance to be interviewed. I confess to having needed emergency prayers myself as I waited at the American Embassy in Abuja some months ago and watched as dozens ahead of me were denied visas by the consular officers sitting behind glass screens. After I stood for three hours in a queue that snaked all the way out of the building, my tourist visa was successfully renewed.
International media reports on the travel ban have described Nigeria with glittering phrases: It's "Africa's largest economy" with a "booming tech ecosystem," whose migrants are "among the most educated and successfulimmigrants in the United States." But it is also a greatly diverse country that has produced the Boko Haram terrorist group, which has pledged allegiance to the Islamic State and now parades as its West Africa arm; the "Underwear Bomber," Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to detonate explosives hidden in his underwear on a flight headed to Detroit on Christmas Day in 2009; and the crowds that poured into the streets of northern Nigeria (a mostly Muslim region) to celebrate the attacks on the twin towers in New York on Sept. 11, 2001. I was chatting with a group of people in Abuja recently, and every one of us agreed that it would be unwise for Trump to pretend that threats from northern Nigeria don't exist. He needs to protect Americans from Nigerians whom even we Nigerians need to be protected from.
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But Trump would surely have been accused of amplifying the fissures in our country if he had banned travelers from only a particular region, we conceded. And so we all must suffer for the transgressions of some.
Most local frustrations about the travel ban are directed at the government of Muhammadu Buhari, rather than at Trump. Multiple local media reports have said that the Trump administration tried for more than a year to work with the Nigerian government to upgrade our country's information-sharing procedures and avoid the ban. But Nigeria failed to meet the minimum security requirements for verifying travelers' identities and singling out those who may pose a national security threat. "The current Nigerian administration may have its deficiencies and deep faults," said Atiku Abubakar, an opposition leader and former presidential candidate, in an open appeal to the United States on Twitter, "but the Nigeria people ought not to be punished for their inefficiencies."
As soon as the ban was announced, quick action replaced lethargy. Buhari immediately set up a committee to "study and address" the security requirements that will get Nigeria off the list. In a meeting with the U.S. State Department this past week, Nigeria's foreign minister, Geoffrey Onyeama, promised that the government would soon complete the process of making information on criminal history, links to terrorism, stolen passports and the like available to Interpol and other relevant international agencies. It's frightening to think that none of this was being done before now. Nigerians' romance with Trump may end someday, but not over this travel ban, not when it is so difficult to prove beyond any doubt that Trump's motive was simply bigotry and malice.
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During the 2016 presidential election, a prominent Nigerian politician tweeted that it would be good if Trump won because America would become too busy dealing with him and his drama to poke its nose into other countries' affairs. That joke went viral in Nigeria. Perhaps that is another reason Nigerians love Trump: With all the outlandishness his presidency has unleashed, he has shown that America isn't some ideal place where leaders and the media and the opposition always conduct themselves with decorum. He has exposed the "African" in all of you.
Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani
Adaobi Tricia Nwaubani is a Nigerian writer and journalist based in Abuja. Her debut novel, "I Do Not Come to You by Chance," was named a best book of 2009 by The Washington Post. Her latest novel is "Buried Beneath the Baobab Tree."
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