china did not act swiftly on this either. remember the doctor who tried to alert the public, was charged by police, and then died? they got off to a rocky start, just like us, but when they decided to act, finally, were very decisive, and probably effectivek
kenneth harrow
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: BRITISH PM TESTSPOSITIVETO COVID-19--Here is hoping that these political leaders (Johnson and Trump), or in democratic theory political servants, have not in the quest to pursue their self-interest fallen victim to the British or English idiom "penny wise and pound foolish." The penalty for not acting swiftly as did China on this pandemic has cost America's lawmakers $2 trillion so far—not to mention the calamity of the stock market to investors (leaving most scratching their head). Many observers and economists suggest that it might even cost more in the battle to defeat the coronavirus. Perhaps Africa has some lessons to learn from this development.
Ike Udogu
--On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:33 PM OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Gozie.
No one is trying to shut you up but you need to consider the trapeze on which national leaders walk and give them credit for that. They have to prepare for the long haul if that is needed but they have to make sure the economy doesn't collapse under their watch with the despondency of the stake holders in the market places so all stocks lose their total value. This is where I credit he allied blusterers Trump and Boris Johnson.
Before the end of February both leaders said we need to prepare for the long haul with one saying one and a half years and the other saying two years based on the scientific advice they received.
As soon as the stock market starting reacting to that and shares started losing value economic advisers asked them to start ' talking the economy up' again. That was why you had Trump blaming the Democrats and changing tack till last week that America would be out of danger by April. Its to rally the stock market else hunger will claim more victims than coronavirus. You then had Johnson premising his lockdown with a May review and that is where Dr Fauci comes in; he has no country to lead and the impact of what he says on the market does not concern him.
Trump and Johnson have to prepare for the worst while hoping for (and rallying for) the best.
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: "K. Gozie Ifesinachukwu" <kgifesi@austin.rr.com>Date: 27/03/2020 22:33 (GMT+00:00)Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: BRITISH PM TESTSPOSITIVETO COVID-19
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--OAA,
Please see your fearless and "wise" leader Boris Johnson three weeks ago on March/03 thus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3NAx3tsy-k
And here is the other "wise" leader describing coronavirus as democrat hoax:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TZ6fTYrsE
And here is what a true science based leader should sound like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A71lfXrQlxU
On or about Jan/23, China looked down Hubie Province (60M people) and completely shut-down Wuhan (11M people) with absolutely no entries or exits. The rest of China was in near total lockdown from Jan/23 until Feb/24. Most of the factories were not allowed to reopen until about Feb/24. Those are the facts about China. Today, Italy with population of about 60M has more coronavirus deaths than China with a population of 1.3B and US at 360M people has more coronavirus cases than China. What US and the rest of the world does next about coronavirus pandemic will matter. The "know-it-all" leaders can chose to shortcut the on-going shutdown process against the advice of their scientists and the world will pay for that.
Timely and courageous leadership matters.
I am typically silent in this list-serve, but with lives at stake, everyone is obligated to speak up to correct mistaken statements that are not backed up by science.
Please stay safe.
Gozie
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Gozie:
Mr. Johnson was the overall Boss who co-ordinated the National Health Service (NHS) response.
Testing kits were ordered immediately WHO declared a pandemic.
Apart from China which countries ordered social distancing early? And did China order social distancing in the whole of China?
I'm confident the response of the leadership of the UK is appropriate. The people gave their verdict last night.
If they are not complaining why should we?
OAA
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Date: 27/03/2020 19:01 (GMT+00:00)
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OAA,
1. The world knew about the pandemic in late December and by January 23rd China locked down Wuhan region and most of China. That was an extreme reaction but needed. Competent leadership demands that leaders stay ahead of the masses and lead and not just follow polls. The essence of competent leadership is to make hard choices that may not be popular but has the highest potential for good in the long run.
2. Yes, Boris Johnson, Mr. Trump, and Mr. Buhari like a lot of other leaders folded their hands hoping (and praying) that they will not have to make hard choices. Mr. Johnson should have ordered test kits in early February or shortly after WHO declared COVID-19 a pandemic. I assume that his intelligent agencies passed the information to him and his cabinet and if the vaunted MI5/MI6 did not have that information, then the whole lot should be disbanded and reconstituted.
3. The experience is similar for all countries that handled COVID-19 similarly. Those that took early action including encouraging social distancing and started testing early has had much better results than those that waited.
4. As scientists including Dr. Fauci (Director CDC) continue to insist, political leaders have to get ahead of the curve not behind it.
a. "….what I like to see is when people look at what we're doing and say you're overreacting. For me, the dynamics and the history of outbreaks is you are never where you think you are with the… if you think you're in line with the outbreak, you're already three weeks behind. So you got to be almost over-reacting a bit to keep up with it."—Dr. Anthony Fauci
5. NIH should be given a standing ovation for their speed in responding when the political leadership gave them the go ahead. However, giving NIH standing ovation is not the same as giving Mr. Johnson a standing ovation. NIH can only act at the direction and "speed" of the political leadership of UK.
Stay safe.
Gozie
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Gozie.
1. There is no substitute for cool headedness in times of crisis. Johnson could not have started social distancing his cabinet colleagues when there was no need to. Trump did not, Buhari did not.
2. No one ever said said any country is exempt from COVID-19. As experience has shown the effects on every country differ.
3. All the time you would think Johnson folded his arms he already ordered three and a half million testing kits which arrived this week.
4. The amount of strategic planning and timing of the phasing in of each intervention caused the whole of the UK to give the NHS a standing ovation for a job well done last night at 8pm from their homes.
OAA
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From: "K. Gozie Ifesinachukwu" <kgifesi@austin.rr.com>
Date: 27/03/2020 15:00 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: BRITISH PM TESTS POSITIVE TO COVID-19
OAA,
May be if Boris Johnson had agreed with his scientists and started social distancing (or what you—OAA called over-reaction) several weeks earlier instead of this week given what was happening in Italy and Spain, he would have been spared of contracting coronavirus and UK would have been better off.
It is perplexing to me that leaders believe that airborne pandemic will spare their countries in this day of frequent travels especially in EU with open borders. Sometimes, it feels like the world chose this singular time to elect "know-it-all" leaders that lack wisdom and will not listen to scientists and does not really believe in science. God help all of us.
We need not be scared, but individually and collectively, we need to take measures to limit the spread of the novel coronavirus. Please stay safe in this challenging time.
All the best,
Gozie
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 6:44 AM
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The British PM Boris Johnson has tested positive to the coronavirus and is self- isolating at Downing Street.
OAA
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Sunday, March 29, 2020
Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: BRITISH PM TESTSPOSITIVETO COVID-19
That is true Ken but when you are the first to be overwhelmed by a lethal virus 🦠, you are less advantaged than others after you. The US had at least two weeks notice, and maybe more ............ The Chinese treatment of the first whistle - blower doctor was despicable, however.
GE
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