Monday, May 4, 2020

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - AFRICA IN 2063 by Professor Lumumba - SHARING

a quick point. the "British" could not have been more divided over the question of the EU/
those who wanted to leave wanted the old fashioned British model for their lives, got stupidly convinced they'd be better off financially on their own, and hated foreigners, hated immigrants, hated the idea of changing to a more multicultural society.
the remainers, the cool people, the londoners who set a model for the world, almost prevailed, but not quite, over the more rural backward english
that division is true in the u.s. as well, and accounts for trump's election.
oaa, your formulation, remains a bit too tightly tied to nationalist models, even if there is some truth in it.
i am intrigued by the new world that the EU tried to reach for, and perhaps failed because the dominant nations, as you indicate, the french and germans, wouldn't really let the poorer nations have a stronger voice.
you have to distinguish the new nations, germany, italy, that formed, from the old empire, ottoman or autria-hungary.
and i'd distinguish those from the new imperial states that followed them, the colonial empires we knew in africa.

we are dreaming of a new africa, right? united and more powerful? the national model interrupted that pan-african dream, and must be surmounted if we are to reach for a new and better world.
imo
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu



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These are some good points.

I suspect that the British wanted an 
Anglo-Saxon centric view of the Union
 and were uncomfortable with the
Franco- German.These tendencies seem 
inevitable in unions and the challenge 
is to deal with the dangers and not
necessarily jettison the project
outright.

 When Germany unified in 
1871, Prussia took the front seat
at the expense of other regional
entities, but it united all the same,
after having about three hundred
political entities before
 Napoleonic occupation.

In the case of China, the Han
dominate but there are  fifty five other 
ethnicities around - needless to
say that the current treatment of
the Uyghurs (Wigas) is totally
unacceptable.

GE

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On May 4, 2020, at 9:08 AM, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:


As we can see there is an incongruous comparison with China to project a Congo- centric template of African development.  That is the key problem of a prospective African Union similar to a situation which the British fought against at the beginning and throughout its stay in the EU: the EU should not be Germo- centric or Franco-centric among the big nation states iof Europe.

As Patrick Lumumba is projecting a Congo- centric vision of Africa Union so is Sanusi Lamido projecting an articulate Nigeo- centric vision of African Union.  This is inevitable given a playing arena full of powerful multifarious ethno- nation states.  This is where comparison with the large market space is disingenious.

China is a large nation state of ONE ethno- national composition whose fortunes cannot be projected onto  multi- ethnic polities artificially yoked together into a Union with centrifugal aspirations reflected in the Lumumbo- Congolese view versus the Sanuso- Nigerian view yoked to a Zikist- Nigerian view to the rump of an Nkruma- centric view. The incipient fault lines are already visible: there is no single, trans- African, central 'Confucionist' view harmonizing the whole of Africa as Confucius is  in China.  This is the problem of a Chinese template projected onto an African Union.

This problem of 'a Union in whose image' needs to be resolved first before the Union can take off powered by that single minded image as happened in the case of the Chinese.

The alternative come 2063 may be similar to the Nigerian experiment in which people spend sixty years abusing and insulting each other and the union being declared the world headquarters of poverty for the common folks because the union has not benefitted the common folks as it did the elites.  Remember Obasanjo's marching orders to Buhari in 2015:  under no condition must he allow the country to disintegrate under his watch;  a nation being forcibly yoked together until it evolves- no matter how long or bitter- a unifying ethos.

To conclude the geo- politico-cultural situations in China and Africa do not match and correlation of size and success is therefore not guaranteed.  This looming cultural contradictions need to be considered in deciding to forge an African Union before, in the words of Christopher Okigbo ( reflecting poetically on a similar Nigerian oddity) ' our dividing airs are gathered home.'

OAA





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Lumumba cautions Africans against activities of Chinese in Africa and highlights the visions of a United Africa.

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