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On May 28, 2020, at 1:42 PM, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear JE.
You still refuse to accept that there are non Black North African ethnicities who fell before the onslaught of Prophet Muhammed's initial crusade who lived for centuries there before Islam and after. It is a fact of history. There are many non Arab/ non Berber minority/ non Black ethnicities in Morocco today.
The term Africans originally referred to North Africans who have been living in the littoral part the region since at least 500BCE. It was after circum-navigating the continent in the 15th CE that the Europeans discovered that people in sub Saharan Africa lived on the same continent as North Africans and therefore collectively referred to them by that previously known name. Soyinka premised the title of his long poem Ògún Abibimãn on a similar argument to yours: a refusal to accept the same group name as Arab North Africans given to sub- Saharan Africans by the Europeans. So for him Abibimān is the surrogate name for sub-Saharan Africa. It is therefore paradoxical that the original owners of the name Africans are to be excluded from a union formed in their name.
Yes, since Islamization a millenium and a half years ago their overall interests may be middle eastern, ( but the term refers to a cultural geography rather than a specific ethnic identity) their race is not homogenous. Its like Egypt. At a time Black Nubians ( present day Sudanese) ruled for 200 years in Egypt but they ruled over Blacks and non Blacks as well as Jews as the biblical stories of Joseph and Moses remind us. Colour racism was not an issue then as the19th Europeans propelled it.
The skin colour of the littoral part of North Africa has been non tropical-Black hundreds of years before the coming of Islam precisely because of the determinant effect of climate on colour ( their ancestors did not live in the tropics for generations.) It is for this reason you find Indians living in the tropical zones looking every inch like sub- Saharan Africans but for their non- kinked straight hair while the Indians in the temperate zones are remarkably lighter. It is for the same reason there are more brown-eyed southern europeans like the Spanish and Italians than the Germans and the the Dutch. Inter-marriages account for the rest of the story.
I would need to see the authoritative texts on the genocide of North African Blacks.
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Dear OAA,--
Maybe your friend is one of the black Moroccans, descendants of the disinherited/dispossessed or extirpated aboriginals. If he is Caucasian ('white'), then he just wants you to feel good or that he is not a racist. If he/she is a Tuareg or Bedouin, he/she probably assumes that you believe that he/she is or regard/accept him/her as black. All strategy to use or get your political support because when the chips are down, Mideast (Arab and NAfrican) interest is paramount. Let's not deceive ourselves or be hoodwinked.
You wrote:"In fact the term Africans originally referred to North Africans before the advent of Islam and the trans Saharan slave trade." Do you mean the original black inhabitants of NAfrica before the trans-Saharan slave traders/raiders swept in from the Arabian Peninsula?
I don't agree with you that my "objection to Arab Muslim North Africa in the African Union is one of the formidable obstacle to the Union." Instead, it would help facilitate the union's smooth realization. It's not compulsory or necessary that NAfrica, especially the Maghreb, be part of the union since they already belong to the Arab League and other Mideast bodies. But if they want to be part of our envisioned or envisaged union, they must purge themselves of brazen racism and disdain for black Africa.
However, i object to your use of the expression,"Arab Muslim North Africa," because there is no Christian or Muslim/Islamic Pan-Africanism. We have nothing against the great progressive religion of Allah (Islam) with its liberation theology. It's the Arab elites and their hirelings in Africa and elsewhere who are undermining Islam. As I stated earlier, the pontiff of Pan-Africanism (Dr. Nkrumah) married an Arab Muslim.
So,my brother you should have used the phrase "Arab North Africa" without the word "Muslim."
On Thursday, May 28, 2020, 01:31:13 AM GMT+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
JE:
I know a Moroccan who will fiercely object to being categorized as Arab or Berber. Just because they are not as black as you and I does not mean some North Africans cannot be categorised as Africans. In fact the term Africans originally
referred to North Africans before the advent of Islam and the trans Saharan slave trade.
However your objection to Arab Muslim North Africa in the African Union is one of the formidable obstacle to the Union and the reason a confederation is ideal.
Like I have said in previous posts it will be close to two centuries for conditions for closer integration and prospects for a Union evolves in the disparate polities.
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Dear Cornelius,
I will address the China question shortly.
The imperialist AFRICOM will die naturally under a united African military command.
On your question, "Don't you want to include North Africa as part of your 'United People'?," my answer is NO because they are anti-black racists and their loyalty is to the Arab world, not Africa.
You insult (libel?) me when you claim/allege: "I can see that you are being groomed for the job, for the time being as a little agent for the views that you are presently expressing, and who knows, in time to come, maybe, as the First President of Africa South
of the Sahara?" My adherence to Pan-Africanism is not aimed at becoming "the First President of Africa South of the Sahara."
And may I ask: Are you an Arab agent just because you espouse their worldview? You seem not bothered about the Arab-inspired Trans-Saharan slave trade, the secret black slave trade/trafficking markets in NAfrica (Libya, Mauritania etc), widespread anti-African
racism in Arab countries etc.
I do not doubt "that Egypt was and is still part of the African Continent, as are the other Counties of North Africa," but who and where were/are the original inhabitants/owners of these areas/lands (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Sudan etc)? Exterminated
and the rest enslaved?
Please who are the "We" in your assertion, "We despise the anti-Arab racism and xenophobia that's implicit in what you say here"?
There is no "anti-Arab racism and xenophobia," in what I have written. Provide counter-facts to impeach the facticity of my submissions. Even the Arabs (and you too) know that they do not regard black Africans as their human equals.
Another insult: "you should do your best to avoid playing into the enemy's hands by inadvertently or as you seems to be doing, by deliberately promoting their 'divide and rule' policies." There is nothing to divide since the minority Arabs (and their Berber,
Bedouin cousins) who rule NAfrica with an iron hand have already divided Africa with their racist policies in their countries against blacks such as is glaring in Sudan where the terrorist Janjaweed, backed by the Khartoum authorities, plunders, rapes and
commits genocide against our people. This was why South Sudan wanted out and became independent, from Arab neocolonialism and enslavement.
I agree with you that "better integration of the North-South partnerships should be most welcome, for the prosperity of the continent – the whole continent," only if your Arab/NAfrican friends genuinely believe in it and eschew racism, a form of tribalism (assabiya)
which the Koran and our revolutionary Holy Prophet of Allah frown at. Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) recognised the then cronic (incurable?) Arab tribalism as dividing the Ummah. And you Cornelius know this. In the present case, you are like a black person denying
that there is Caucasian racism.
And what do I "have to say" about Algeria for example? A bad example. For example, as i have noted elsewhere, despite all that he did (risks and sacrifices) for the Algerian revolution/independence as its foremost anti-colonial spokesman/diplomat or ambassador,
the new nation's racist so-called socialist pan-Arab leaders refused to honour radical black activist intellectual Frantz Fanon. No monument, not in the hall of fame! Little or small wonder that your friends told you "that during the Liberation struggle the
Algerian Jews opted to become French citizens instead of Algerians."
Advising me further, you wrote: "If anything, you should be promoting mutual understanding between all people, and not only in Nigeria but also in the rest of Africa where of course, North Africa is predominantly Muslim, just as Northern Nigeria is predominantly
Muslim!"
My brother, as a traditional Nkrumahist, i am not espousing Christian Pan-Africanism because there is nothing like that. Pan-Africanism is for all black people---Muslims, Christians, traditionalists, atheists, free thinkers, naturalists etc----although it is
strictly not a religious ideology or movement. It's your racist Arab friends and Caucasian supremacists that are trying to divide blacks along ethno-religious lines, not Pan-Africanists who are striving to unite our people on the continent and in the diaspora.
Pan-Africanists have always extended a hand of genuine friendship to Arabs and their cousins in Africa who, like other imperialists like the West, Russia, China, India etc are only eyeing the continent's land and resources. Our High Priest (Dr. Kwame Nkrumah)
married an Arab (Egyptian). We have stood by you at the UN, Palestine etc. So we do not hate Arabs, but we detest their racism, opportunism and sponsorship/support, whether alleged or real, of turmoil and terrorism in Africa.
Chinese and Arabs are gradually taking over Africa. The communists (overpopulated Chinese) are buying millions of hectares of land in communities all over Africa as if they have a future project to resettle some of their people on our continent which they have
practically enslaved with loans mortgaged with airports, railways, oil and other facilities.
Private sector chiefs, politicians, intellectuals, journalists etc should help check terrorism and neocolonialism/imperialism (expansionism) in Africa.
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 01:07:45 AM GMT+1, Cornelius Hamelberg <hamelbergcornelius4@gmail.com> wrote:
Julius Eto,
There you go again.
Thus far, not a word from you about China or some of the multinationals that own the mines and more or less everything else, the economies of whole nations including puppet governments
When you begin with," Pan-Africanism is more about our collective military security as a united people…" I can see where you're coming from. Therefore
AFRICOM ?
Think a little further into the future. Don't you want to include North Africa as part of your "United People"?
Check this out:
The Military strength of African countries
I can see that you are being groomed for the job, for the time being as a little agent for the views that you are presently expressing, and who knows, in time to come, maybe, as the First President of Africa South of the Sahara?
If not, then please, kindly take note that there is no room for tribalism and racism in the Africa that optimists envision. Remember (to keep it in your mind and don't forget) that the Prophet Moses was born and bred in Egypt and that Egypt was and is still
part of the African Continent, as are the other Counties of North Africa.
We despise the anti-Arab racism and xenophobia that's implicit in what you say here:
"North Africa (probably except Gamal Abdel-Nasser's Egypt) was unremarkable. NAfrica was seized from the original black owners who were largely exterminated and the rest enslaved by invaders and slave traders from the Arabian peninsula. So, it's not a surprise
that the Arab racists who see themselves as whites only paid lip-service to the anti-apartheid struggle. How did the Afrikaner-run apartheid enclave get oil supplies? There were (and, it's believed, still are) secret black slave/trafficking markets in NAfrica
(Mauritania, Libya etc)… Nasser, the high priest of Pan-Arabism, helped the anti-apartheid struggle to undermine the then Israeli-SAfrican romance and get the black continent's political support on the global stage for his Mideast (especially Palestinian)
and world politics. Gaddafi, also a pan-Arabist, was an expansionist who eyed the continent for Arab domination, hoodwinking its leaders to believe that he was one of them. Like Nasser, he saw himself as the authentic leader/voice of the Arab world, leading
the charge against Israel over Palestine and, of course, SAfrica over the apartheid regime's closeness to the Jewish state…However, Gaddafi supported the murderous Arab minority Khartoum authorities in their plunder, rape and genocide against the majority
black Sudanese population."
Just as you advocate improving South Africa – West Africa business relations, so too better integration of the North-South partnerships should be most welcome, for the prosperity of the continent – the whole continent – and you should do your best to avoid
playing into the enemy's hands by inadvertently or as you seems to be doing, by deliberately promoting their " divide and rule " policies as if you don't know any better, possibly thinking that there's nothing to learn from history. If anything, you should
be promoting mutual understanding between all people, and not only in Nigeria but also in the rest of Africa where of course, North Africa is predominantly Muslim, just as Northern Nigeria is predominantly Muslim!
We can discuss South Africa as much as you want – but seriously. And what do you have to say about Alegria for example. My friends tell me that during the Liberation struggle the Algerian Jews opted to become French citizens instead of Algerians.
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Dear OAA,
I agree with some of your submissions but reject your assertion that "South Africans need to be employed in equal rates in Ibadan, Oturkpo, Ife, Kano, Enugu, Abakaliki, and Onisha for the policy to be successful. Otherwise crying foul against South Africans
is hypocritical."
First, most SAfricans do not leave their country to other parts of the continent to seek employment except those taken there by their companies like Multichoice. Many other Africans (Ghanaians, Togolese, Chadians, Liberians, Cameroonians, Nigeriens, Malians,
Mauritanians etc) are employed in Nigeria, some even holding political and elective offices.
Second, a unified Africa will be a federation or confederation with autonomous entities but with a common currency, defence, foreign policy. Like in every true federation, you cannot violate the internal laws of a constituent entity if you aren't from there.
Can a New Yorker flagrantly violate Californian laws just because he is an American?
My brother, Pan-Africanism is more about our collective military security as a united people and continental economic integration for rapid development from pooled resources.
On Monday, May 25, 2020, 10:59:39 PM GMT+1, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have given my own initial reaction to post Apartheid realities in South Africa:
Pan- Africanism needs to run both ways: South Africans need to be employed in equal rates in Ibadan, Oturkpo, Ife, Kano, Enugu, Abakaliki, and Onisha for the policy to be successful Otherwise crying foul against South Africans is hypocritical.
'Help me liberate my country' is different from "help me liberate 'our' country". Yes, pan- Africanism is a political liberationist tool; yes it is just that-political. We have cited the case of Nigerien Almajerai in Osogbo to buttress our case. That
comparison still stands. Osogbo is not their original abode and if the case is allowed indefinitely control of Osogbo economy will flounder. There is a limit to what is allowable under ECOWAS protocol and pan- Africanism
We have seen how fellow Nigerians ( Fulani herdsmen) are being turned away from southwestern and southeastern cities on the basis of cultural differentiation.
Criticism of South Africans is tantamount to what Yoruba calls ' şore fúni ka lóşo tii' ( exacting perennially profits from a supposedly selfless good turn)
Let us be real.
OAA
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One of the useful organizational and inspirational tools in the battle against apartheid was pan-Africanism. I suggest that the editors of the planned text "Xenophobia, Nativism ....." should solicit a chapter on Pan-Africanism and the struggle against
apartheid. That chapter may focus on the southern African frontline states and their sacrifices, and their contributions in military and other means. West and Northern African roles in the pan- Africanist endeavor should also be reflected on.
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My most hated word in Afrikaans. Indeed, an original "sin" against an original continent.
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On May 24, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
In 1985, the South African government banned Stevie Wonder's song "It's Wrong (Apartheid)" because it explicitly condemned the
government: "the wretchedness of Satan's wrath / will come to seize you at last / because even he frowns upon the deeds you are doing / and you know deep in your heart / you've no covenant with God / because he would never countenance people abusing."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbG3zIs4Q4E
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