sites of sexual abuse, pedophilia and cruelty- but I guess this never happened in Trump's" swamp. " Right?
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Lord Agbetuyi,
Re – Your premise "In the UK for example the abolitionists used the argument to end slavery, but the freed slaves did not because of that change back to their old religions..."etc.
It should be interesting to examine your conjectures as to the conditions that mitigated against the lost generations of returnees not reverting to their ancestral religions, and why, on the contrary, e.g. Yoruba religion flourished and is flourishing worldwide on the South American continent, in Brazil, Cuba, other parts of the Caribbean, in the United States where where a good number of Roots- conscious African-Americans are fleeing from what they call the "Judgemental religions" to Yoruba religion in either an older original form or developed with syncretic accretions. I have Santeria friends from Cuba, here in Stockholm, trying to teach me ancient Yoruba incantations – you should see their altars. Talking about " judgemental" here's no a single Muslim that I know that wouldn't react with just their one word: Mushrikeen!
Otherwise, the arguments you just tossed at Ken make for sad reading, cast shadows in the realm of the sorrowful and the regrettable. It's not unlikely that the ghosts, the spiritual descendants and beneficiaries of the Church Missionary Society are either in tears or at work and down on their knees adding to their good deeds, this time ardently praying for your salvation which assuming that you are not already saved and need to be saved or redeemed, to begin with, can only be guaranteed by your sincere repentance, the change of heart, mind and stance that's called for after saying the things that you just said. A change of heart from sounding like an ingrate to full acknowledgment of all the benefits that you have reaped and that you are still enjoy reaping thanks to the good works of the Church Missionary Society in Western Nigeria.
I daresay that if those missionaries had not been to that neck of what Trump would have called "the swamp" and produced men like Bishop Ajayi Crowther then there would probably have been no Chief Obafemi Awolowo – the one that we know and most probably his universal education plan would not have taken off when it did or succeeded as it did. Without all that missionary activity in Abeokuta there would have been no Wole Soyinka and I daresay, no Toyin Falola, D. Litt either. And just in case you are reeling or re-coiling in your armchair and detest words like "benefits" as employed here, well, here are some of the benefits: You are welcomed as one of the high megawatt lightbulbs in the English Language Empire and thanks to that language you have read Defoe 's Robinson Crusoe and Kipling's The Ballad of East and West, you can communicate with any Fulani speaker at Aso Rock or even Buckingham Place, or any part of the UK where you have, understandably chosen to live.
Those are some of the kinds of arguments that have been advanced by some of the recalcitrant who don't want to dish out any reparations (e.g. in Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Slavery is a Bad Idea for Blacks—and Racist Too) and of course I fully anticipate the tenor of your response to all of the above.
I though about the Falola D. Litt earlier in the day in this imperial connection, part of a much larger discourse: "The Indian mind had walled itself up in such a prison that only a new language could give it a ladder of escape"
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Ken
Our conclusions are not different. Remove religion and people on behalf of whom others are conquered have scales fall from their eyes and cannot justify their evil intent.
In the UK for example the abolitionists used the argument to end slavery, but the freed slaves did not because of that change back to their old religions but used their freed status to work for the interests of those who freed them who are part of the society that enslaved them in the first instance till today and that is the core of my argument meaning they have 'seen the light' ( of civilization) and continue the game of spreading it among their own people for their principals.
My ancestral land was razed to the ground by the Fulani literally like thieves in the night just like the Almoravids did on ancient Ghana because both societies were seen as heathens and would not convert to Islamic monotheism peacefully.
Moses and his supporters conquered the ' promised land' by force of arms and 'post facto' justified their conquest by saying it was promised land by Yahweh ( this act of violent dispossession!)
What of Benin massacre by the English because the indigenes reacted to the despoliation of their rituals e.tc, etc?
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: "Harrow, Kenneth" <harrow@msu.edu>Date: 25/03/2021 22:40 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa
olayinkapeople enforcing their codes on other people is truly obscene.since roman times jews have not had a nation or power to enforce codes onto others, until now with israel. even there, the orthodox impose their codes, like kosher rules or shabbat rules, on others within the country. but they couldn't care less about non-jewish observance, thinking the blessings go with themselves, those who observe the rules. jews do not proselytize.
but even when christians did proselytize, the conquest was the fundamental issue, i believe. they came and conquered, and incidentally converted.
muslims converted without real proselytizing; but when central africa came under muslim control, the enslaved people were often impeded from converting since muslims were taught not to enslave fellow muslims.who could not become cynical about religion under these circumstances?
you might think the expansion of belief in one god was at play; but conversions to any of these religions didn't stop all the wars and exploitation, didn't stop any of the historical abuses, since people will use religion to rationalize these practices, not really to end them. i don't blame religion or praise it: it is people who establish these practices, and then tell the world that was what god wanted.
if you removed "god" from the equation, that wouldn't stop the conquering, the exploitation, the abuses. it is people who act in what they think is their own interest, and rationalize it, often using religion.
ken
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Ken.
Well put. No one quarrels with secular Jews, many of whom may not be recognised as Jews, because there is no outward dress codes observed,until people castigate Jews in their presence and they are shocked they have shot themselves in the foot.
It is those who want to enforce a written code made for a particular period of development for all times, violently that are the issue. They think because it was written down it must not be changed. This in large part was what informed Derrida's notion of violence of the letter: 'You have no written religion you have no religion'; those who have written religions must enforce its tenets against others for all time.
And that is where colonialism comes in with the enforcement of a Papal Bull, which even African lettered intellectuals carry on today as a form of evangelised neo- colonialism i.e. defending by all guises what was used to carry their ancestors into captivity and slavery and the Muslim intellectual elites try to match them in this race.
It is that structure that it is only the worship of one God that can be right and it's dated written commands must be carried out at all costs that is behind most of the legitimised violence. Violent Schisms are only a subtext of this mind set that says only an interpretation can be right to the same God and the others must be violently quashed.
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-------- Original message --------From: "Harrow, Kenneth" <harrow@msu.edu>Date: 25/03/2021 16:35 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa
--dear all, when i think of religion and how to define it, i would have say it is mostly meaningful in how it is practised. in that regard, each of these religions has enormously wide variations in practices. between the ultra-orthodox in judaism, and the reform or reconsructionist variations it is really day to night differences, and even scorn or worse. but in general jews do not proselatize, as the other two faiths do.
between sufi islam and legalistic islam it also has been such hatred and violence as to eliminate the one version (often enough sufi or brotherhood versions) from salafi or other branches, esp in the saudi peninsula. and so on. under the cover of islam saudi sunnis and persian shiites fight it out. look at the ongoing war in yemen, the conflicts in the middle east, with these two protagonists.
and between catholics, protestants, unitarians, evangelicals is also a huge gulf. wars of religion for centuries; wholesale inquisitions and oppression. wars against muslims and expulsion of jews and muslims etc. the history couldn't be uglier. but that's only part of the story.
how to generalize?much of judaism is practiced not through acts of faith as much as what is called tsedaka, like charity of arabic, sadaq.i think of both islam and judaism lean in the direction of actions more than faith. for many jews it is adherence to the culture of a community, with no faith at all for probably half--secular jews. the fanatics of both judaism and islam, ultraorthodox or islamists, are really the curse of our religions since they are willing to go to war against non-believers, willing to condemn women to inferior status, to condone vile acts against people as if they were gods themselves, as if they had god's ear, as if they knew what god would want.
but christianity has lots of charity, lots of emphasize on good acts, like the other two; but perhaps more tied into acts of faith, talk about faith etc etc. i think evangelicals would tie faith to prosperity more than the other branches; would emphasize success in the here and now, whereas calvanists would lean more to fatalism and the hereafter.
where is god in all this? these religions profess a common god, a common source or origin, and the notion of a high god in african religions was often marked by efforts, like mbiti's, to reconcile african beliefs with christian faith. i think that is the wrong approach. rather, i would ask how each religion reflected the social structures, validated the dominant values and dominant forces in each case. that's a materialist view of religion, which i share.
lastly, without any effort we all could cite the worst of human tendencies in each of these religions, and we could also cite the beautiful and ineffable. that is not inherent in these religions, but in their adherents. if we abolished these religions, all the slaughter and oppression they advocate would continue, under another heading, like Love of Nation or whatever. Likewise, we would have human creation and its beauties continue as well. it is part of how people organize the world. and to rationalize it, to justify it, to validate and give it dominance, they proclaim it to be handed to them by god.
well, we are all free to believe what we want. until the Believers take hold and impose their ways.
ken
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa--Let me add that of the three religionsJudaism seems to be the more rationalto me, although the three are implicatedin cultural imperialistic activities.
The three seem to have the concept ofdevilry and sin, unlike many African andAsian religions, and original sin seems to becrucial in one of them. With Islam you haveno burden to bear though once you committo the religion and so the original sin conceptis almost null and void.
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This is so deliberately provocative that it must be the misogynist he-devil or anti-Semitic she-devil that must be at work here, causing you to write that it is a religion itself per se and not a lapsed or "fallen" adherent of any such religion/ way of life that you are wrongfully accusing when you say that "One of them is heavily implicated in sex abuse lawsuits and has paid about 3 billion dollars in penalties / settlements thus far in the US alone."
Your sole aim is to discredit a religion and to promote some discussion.
Of relevance to those who see some of what Judaism and Islam have in common - namely Judaic elements borrowed and adapted by Islam, including some of the Judaic myths, legends and midrashic stories in the Quran.
Interesting too, Judaism and Islam by Erwin I. J. Rosenthal and of course Jewish Views on Islam and some of the interesting differences with regard to what Islam says about Jesus (no crucifixion and no resurrection – the centrepiece of Christianity) especially in the light of sceptics such as Bart Ehrman and the aggressive Kenneth Humphreys views on Jesus
As you may not be aware, blessed are they who were not there and yet believe.
"Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe."
I know that Don Harrow is the best person on this matter with his vast experience of Islam in North Africa.
Please carryon with your discussion;.
--On Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 02:10:47 UTC+1 Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
I am not so sure about the three religionssharing core theology. In Islamand Judaism Jesus is not divine and definitely nota son of God but just another human ormessenger. The role of Jesus inChristianity borders on cultism, in the viewof some Muslims and followers of Judaism.
The Trinity concept is also rejected by twoof the religions.
You don't have images, Caucasianor not plastered on the walls or erectedwithin the place of worship if you are aMuslim. Now I may have to eat my wordsin terms of some sects of Islam in the Sahel.
Water purification rites are there inIslam but not in Christianity.The calendar Is about 622 years apart,
between Islam and Christianity.The Christian Pope has some kind of infallibility
that does not exist in Islam or Judaism- asfar as I know.
Two of these religions seem to be highlymisogynistic in their fundamentalist form.One of them is heavily implicated in sex abuselawsuits and has paid about 3 billiondollars in penalties / settlements thus farin the US alone.
But in the final analysis the best personto enlighten us on this issue is Cornelius,the Wise and I hope he shares his insiderKnowledge and erudition with us.
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OAA
My point is that the three religions share the same prophets, philosophy and core theology but I agree they are not identical.
Professor Jibrin IbrahimSenior FellowCentre for Democracy and Development, AbujaFollow me on twitter @jibrinibrahim17
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Oga Jibrin:
For the three faiths there is one God but that one God is NOT the SAME for the trio.
The character of Yahweh ( or Yashem as Oga Cornelius teaches us) is different from that of Allah and Jews will be cross if you told them they might as well pray to Allah.
If the character of the Christian God can be substituted for that of Allah then what was all the blood letting in the Crusades about?
Again if the Muslims and the Christians pray to one and the SAME god, there wouldn't be all the contemporary fracas over the Temple Mount and the intifada.
We rely on you as a graduate of Barewa College and member of BOBA to spearhead the changes in that philosophy of religion propagated to current students to reflect that it is fit for purpose for the current evolutionary change in Nigeria today which is different from the 1921 focus of Barewa.
As Bishop Kukah acknowledged in the zoom interview, the Nigerian state of today has evolved beyond the scope of conception at independence and a major part of the problem is those in charge of government are using a blueprint of governance no longer fit for purpose. Nigeria is not a religious duopoly and people in position of influence should not pander to governments around the country discriminating in favour of two minority religions ( no matter the aggressive membership drive) against the majority of indigenous religions around the country.
In fact governments around the country ( both states and federal) should be sued for this propensity since independence.
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Of course there are different Gods but for Jews, Christians and Muslims, THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, i am told.
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The first error is to posit that it is the same God that we worship.
Youths of today are more sophisticated in their thinking and they know that the Gods of Islam and Christianity are similar, they are NOT the same. What of other non- monotheistic Gods?
This book has therefore outlived it's usefulness and a new book should be put together to emphasise the pluralism and hererogendered nature of Godhead to teach mutual respect among the youths.
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--Barewa College and Civics: Do young Nigerians know that Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Jibrin Ibrahim
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Two weeks ago, 32 of us met in Zaria to commemorate our first reunion that cold day of 5th January 1968 as the new intake of Barewa College Zaria. There were 132 of us in the set of 1968. So far, 35 of us have transitioned to the next world. In our conversations on the departed ones, it turned out that most of them died in road accidents over the 50-year period. Surviving in Nigeria is a lottery and so many of us die early due to completely avoidable accidents. We reflected on changing times. In 1968, we were in the middle of one of the most bloody civil wars in Nigerian history. Nonetheless, most of us were simply directed to the motor park without any escort and took lorries and busses from our provinces to Zaria and on to the school. Fifty years later, many of us were apprehensive about going to Zaria due to the multiple conflicts in our provinces. Those from Adamawa, Sardauna and Bornu provinces spoke of the persistence of the insurgency in the North east. Friends from Plateau and Benue provinces were concerned about inter-communal conflicts and the pastoral challenge they face. The members from Sokoto, Zaria and Katsina provinces recounted stories of their communities being sucked into rural banditry while travellers from Kano, Kabba, Ilorin and Niger provinces said they too are no longer safe. The last hurdle was of course the Abuja-Kaduna crossing where everyone had the fear of kidnappers on their mind.
I had not seen some of my class mates since we went our various ways after the WAEC exams in 1972 and some of them looked very old. Maybe that was my brain telling me that I am getting old myself. We used the Golden Jubilee celebration to launch improvements to the school facilities sponsored by the Class of 1968 as we had been agonising for a long time on how dilapidated the school had become. One thing that surprised me was when some of my mates told the principal that they never came back for the school certificates. Within ten minutes, the principal was able to give all of them their certificates. It was good to see that all our files are still intact.
One of the greatest influences in our lives has been the broad introduction we had to comparative religious education in Barewa College. This was through daily readings in assembly from: "A Book of Prayers and Readings." In 1958, the Northern Nigerian Governmentpublished the book for use in mixed assemblies of Muslim and Christian students. In his Forward to the book, Minister of Education Aliyu Makama made the important point that:
"Both Muslims and Christians are <people of the Book> and it is myearnest prayer and hope that from this book of Prayers and Readings the younger generation in particular may learn the vital truth that the things which unite us are far more important than the things that divide us."
The daily readings created in us the realization that our religions have the same values and that everyone that respect their religion must also respect other religions that draw from the same belief and value pool. It is this education about comparative religion that is missing in Nigeria today and we have so many young people who lack education in their own religion and their ignorance pushed them into the belief that the other religion is the enemy whose adherents must be killed. The book taught us about the unity of God.
THE UNITY OF GOD
God is One, the Ancient of days: Eternal, having no beginning: Everlasting, having no end, continuing for evermore. He is the First and the Last, Whose wisdom extendeth over all. He cannot be likened to anything else that exists, nor is anything like unto Him, nor is He contained by the earth or the heavens, for He is exalted far above the earth and the dust thereof.
AL GHAZALI
I am the first and I am the last, and beside me there is no God.
ISAIAH
Stand up and bless the Lord your God from everlasting to everlasting: and blessed be Thy glorious Name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise. Thou art the Lord, even Thou alone; Thou hast made heaven and the heaven of heavens, with all their host; the earth, and all the things that are therein; the seas and all that is in them; and Thou preservest them all and the host of heaven worship Thee.
NEHEMIAH
GOD'S LOVE FOR MAN: MAN'S OF GOD
Readings:
Ere he made us He loved us, and when we were made we loved Him.
JULIAN OF NORWICH
Who so knows God, loves Him, and who so loves Him He makes to dwell with Him, and whom He makes to dwell with Him, blessed is he, yea blessed.
AL MUHASIBI
RELIANCE UPON GOD
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so cloth the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? Or, What shall we drink? Or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
1. MATHEW'S GOSPEL
If ye rely upon God as He ought to be relied on, He will provide you as He provides the birds; they go out empty and hungry in the morning and come back big-bellied at eventide.
UMAR (T.I)
PRAYER
Ask and thou shalt be given it.
IBNI MASUD (T.I)
Ask and ye shall receive; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you.
ST MATHEW'S GOSPEL
THE SPIRITUAL COMBAT
Readings:
In the field of this body a great war goes forward against passion, anger, pride and greed; it is in the kingdom of truth, contentment and purity that this battle is ragging and the sword that rings forth most loudly is the sword of His Name. It is a hard fight and a weary one, this fight of the truth seeker, for the truth seeker's battle goes on day and night; as long as life lasts it never ceases.
KABIR
Know you not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the price? So run that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things, now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible. I therefore run not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air; but I keep under my body and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
ST PAUL
HUMILITY AND PENITENCE
Prayers:
My God, of Thy mercy forgive me my sins. O Lord, through my sinful deeds make me fear Thy justice, yet the greatness of Thy compassion makes me hope in Thee. O Lord, I have not merited Paradise by my deeds, and I cannot endure the pains of Hell, so I entrust myself simply to Thy grace. Wash me from my sins; give me the hope of redeemed and in Thy mercy cast me not away from Thy presence.
YAHAYA B. MADH-EL-RAZI
Wash me thoroughly from my wickedness, and cleanse me from my sins; cast me not away from Thy presence, and take Thy Holy Spirit from me.
PSALMS
THE VALUE OF KNOWLEDGE
Wisdom is glorious and never fadeth away; yea, she is easily seen of them that love her, and found of them that seek her. She goeth before them that desire her, in making herself first known unto them. Whoso seeketh her early shall have no great travail, for he shall find her sitting at his doors.
WISDOM OF SOLOMON
Knowledge is to the mind as a lamp to the eye, and as the light of the sun to the sight. Knowledge was given to man by God, so that his reason, making use therefore, might enable him to realise how the darkness of ignorance veils him from the remembrance of the next world and the regard of his Lord upon him.
AL MUHASIBI
My prayer today is that state ministries of education should look up this book of readings and prayers and use it or a similar instrument to teach the younger generation what we learnt – that Christianity and Islam draw from the same principles and value pool. Let it be known that the greatest ignorance is Christians and Muslims killing themselves in "gods" name. Knowledge is knowing it's the same God that we worship.
Professor Jibrin IbrahimSenior FellowCentre for Democracy and Development, AbujaFollow me on twitter @jibrinibrahim17
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It's interesting, isn't it, that among the returnees Edward Wilmot Blyden - another missionary product unarguably conferred with the title "The Father of Pan-Africanism" and a strong advocate of Islam as the most suitable religion for Africa according to his seminal " Christianity, Islam and the Negro Race" and his numerous writings scattered all over the place. He apparently maintained this position although he himself never converted to Islam. Would Blyden have revised his advocacy of in view of latest developments? In my very humble opinion the best book about EWB is still Edward Wilmot Blyden : Pan-Negro Patriot 1832-1912 by Hollis R. Lynch
I'm especially thinking of the returnees to Freetown, Sierra Leone and later on those who returned to Monrovia, Liberia - mostly detribalised and often met with hostility, in the case of Sierra Leone by the reception committee. Blyden's problems in his encounters with the Mulattoes in Liberia as recounted by Hollis R. Lynch makes for painful reading.
The magnificent Balachandra Rajan and his equally magnificent work Under Western Eyes: India from Milton to Macaulay measured against a similar type of comparative study, perhaps yet to be undertaken, in this case the then on-going developments in English Literature and the evolving Western Intellectual Canon as a lens and on-going commentary on colonial practice in India - a difference that is obvious in the religious sphere is that of course unlike West Africa, India with its own strong religious culture and written scriptures could not be easily penetrated by the imperial Christian missionaries: However, vast swathes of India were ruled by Muslims for almost eight hundred years, and now of course we have Pakistan as a separate nation since the 14th of August 1947…
Before I go into hibernation, it should be remarked that Balachandra's frequent references to Hegel's racism in his The Philosophy of History , should not go unnoticed and that it should be interesting to hear what e.g. Samuel Zalanga has to say about this in connection with the African condition/s
Lord Agbetuyi,
Re – Your premise "In the UK for example the abolitionists used the argument to end slavery, but the freed slaves did not because of that change back to their old religions..."etc.
It should be interesting to examine your conjectures as to the conditions that mitigated against the lost generations of returnees not reverting to their ancestral religions, and why, on the contrary, e.g. Yoruba religion flourished and is flourishing worldwide on the South American continent, in Brazil, Cuba, other parts of the Caribbean, in the United States where where a good number of Roots- conscious African-Americans are fleeing from what they call the "Judgemental religions" to Yoruba religion in either an older original form or developed with syncretic accretions. I have Santeria friends from Cuba, here in Stockholm, trying to teach me ancient Yoruba incantations – you should see their altars. Talking about " judgemental" here's no a single Muslim that I know that wouldn't react with just their one word: Mushrikeen!
Otherwise, the arguments you just tossed at Ken make for sad reading, cast shadows in the realm of the sorrowful and the regrettable. It's not unlikely that the ghosts, the spiritual descendants and beneficiaries of the Church Missionary Society are either in tears or at work and down on their knees adding to their good deeds, this time ardently praying for your salvation which assuming that you are not already saved and need to be saved or redeemed, to begin with, can only be guaranteed by your sincere repentance, the change of heart, mind and stance that's called for after saying the things that you just said. A change of heart from sounding like an ingrate to full acknowledgment of all the benefits that you have reaped and that you are still enjoy reaping thanks to the good works of the Church Missionary Society in Western Nigeria.
I daresay that if those missionaries had not been to that neck of what Trump would have called "the swamp" and produced men like Bishop Ajayi Crowther then there would probably have been no Chief Obafemi Awolowo – the one that we know and most probably his universal education plan would not have taken off when it did or succeeded as it did. Without all that missionary activity in Abeokuta there would have been no Wole Soyinka and I daresay, no Toyin Falola, D. Litt either. And just in case you are reeling or re-coiling in your armchair and detest words like "benefits" as employed here, well, here are some of the benefits: You are welcomed as one of the high megawatt lightbulbs in the English Language Empire and thanks to that language you have read Defoe 's Robinson Crusoe and Kipling's The Ballad of East and West, you can communicate with any Fulani speaker at Aso Rock or even Buckingham Place, or any part of the UK where you have, understandably chosen to live.
Those are some of the kinds of arguments that have been advanced by some of the recalcitrant who don't want to dish out any reparations (e.g. in Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Slavery is a Bad Idea for Blacks—and Racist Too) and of course I fully anticipate the tenor of your response to all of the above.
I though about the Falola D. Litt earlier in the day in this imperial connection, part of a much larger discourse: "The Indian mind had walled itself up in such a prison that only a new language could give it a ladder of escape"
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Ken
Our conclusions are not different. Remove religion and people on behalf of whom others are conquered have scales fall from their eyes and cannot justify their evil intent.
In the UK for example the abolitionists used the argument to end slavery, but the freed slaves did not because of that change back to their old religions but used their freed status to work for the interests of those who freed them who are part of the society that enslaved them in the first instance till today and that is the core of my argument meaning they have 'seen the light' ( of civilization) and continue the game of spreading it among their own people for their principals.
My ancestral land was razed to the ground by the Fulani literally like thieves in the night just like the Almoravids did on ancient Ghana because both societies were seen as heathens and would not convert to Islamic monotheism peacefully.
Moses and his supporters conquered the ' promised land' by force of arms and 'post facto' justified their conquest by saying it was promised land by Yahweh ( this act of violent dispossession!)
What of Benin massacre by the English because the indigenes reacted to the despoliation of their rituals e.tc, etc?
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: "Harrow, Kenneth" <harrow@msu.edu>Date: 25/03/2021 22:40 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa
olayinkapeople enforcing their codes on other people is truly obscene.since roman times jews have not had a nation or power to enforce codes onto others, until now with israel. even there, the orthodox impose their codes, like kosher rules or shabbat rules, on others within the country. but they couldn't care less about non-jewish observance, thinking the blessings go with themselves, those who observe the rules. jews do not proselytize.
but even when christians did proselytize, the conquest was the fundamental issue, i believe. they came and conquered, and incidentally converted.
muslims converted without real proselytizing; but when central africa came under muslim control, the enslaved people were often impeded from converting since muslims were taught not to enslave fellow muslims.who could not become cynical about religion under these circumstances?
you might think the expansion of belief in one god was at play; but conversions to any of these religions didn't stop all the wars and exploitation, didn't stop any of the historical abuses, since people will use religion to rationalize these practices, not really to end them. i don't blame religion or praise it: it is people who establish these practices, and then tell the world that was what god wanted.
if you removed "god" from the equation, that wouldn't stop the conquering, the exploitation, the abuses. it is people who act in what they think is their own interest, and rationalize it, often using religion.
ken
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Ken.
Well put. No one quarrels with secular Jews, many of whom may not be recognised as Jews, because there is no outward dress codes observed,until people castigate Jews in their presence and they are shocked they have shot themselves in the foot.
It is those who want to enforce a written code made for a particular period of development for all times, violently that are the issue. They think because it was written down it must not be changed. This in large part was what informed Derrida's notion of violence of the letter: 'You have no written religion you have no religion'; those who have written religions must enforce its tenets against others for all time.
And that is where colonialism comes in with the enforcement of a Papal Bull, which even African lettered intellectuals carry on today as a form of evangelised neo- colonialism i.e. defending by all guises what was used to carry their ancestors into captivity and slavery and the Muslim intellectual elites try to match them in this race.
It is that structure that it is only the worship of one God that can be right and it's dated written commands must be carried out at all costs that is behind most of the legitimised violence. Violent Schisms are only a subtext of this mind set that says only an interpretation can be right to the same God and the others must be violently quashed.
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-------- Original message --------From: "Harrow, Kenneth" <harrow@msu.edu>Date: 25/03/2021 16:35 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa
--dear all, when i think of religion and how to define it, i would have say it is mostly meaningful in how it is practised. in that regard, each of these religions has enormously wide variations in practices. between the ultra-orthodox in judaism, and the reform or reconsructionist variations it is really day to night differences, and even scorn or worse. but in general jews do not proselatize, as the other two faiths do.
between sufi islam and legalistic islam it also has been such hatred and violence as to eliminate the one version (often enough sufi or brotherhood versions) from salafi or other branches, esp in the saudi peninsula. and so on. under the cover of islam saudi sunnis and persian shiites fight it out. look at the ongoing war in yemen, the conflicts in the middle east, with these two protagonists.
and between catholics, protestants, unitarians, evangelicals is also a huge gulf. wars of religion for centuries; wholesale inquisitions and oppression. wars against muslims and expulsion of jews and muslims etc. the history couldn't be uglier. but that's only part of the story.
how to generalize?much of judaism is practiced not through acts of faith as much as what is called tsedaka, like charity of arabic, sadaq.i think of both islam and judaism lean in the direction of actions more than faith. for many jews it is adherence to the culture of a community, with no faith at all for probably half--secular jews. the fanatics of both judaism and islam, ultraorthodox or islamists, are really the curse of our religions since they are willing to go to war against non-believers, willing to condemn women to inferior status, to condone vile acts against people as if they were gods themselves, as if they had god's ear, as if they knew what god would want.
but christianity has lots of charity, lots of emphasize on good acts, like the other two; but perhaps more tied into acts of faith, talk about faith etc etc. i think evangelicals would tie faith to prosperity more than the other branches; would emphasize success in the here and now, whereas calvanists would lean more to fatalism and the hereafter.
where is god in all this? these religions profess a common god, a common source or origin, and the notion of a high god in african religions was often marked by efforts, like mbiti's, to reconcile african beliefs with christian faith. i think that is the wrong approach. rather, i would ask how each religion reflected the social structures, validated the dominant values and dominant forces in each case. that's a materialist view of religion, which i share.
lastly, without any effort we all could cite the worst of human tendencies in each of these religions, and we could also cite the beautiful and ineffable. that is not inherent in these religions, but in their adherents. if we abolished these religions, all the slaughter and oppression they advocate would continue, under another heading, like Love of Nation or whatever. Likewise, we would have human creation and its beauties continue as well. it is part of how people organize the world. and to rationalize it, to justify it, to validate and give it dominance, they proclaim it to be handed to them by god.
well, we are all free to believe what we want. until the Believers take hold and impose their ways.
ken
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Barewa--Let me add that of the three religionsJudaism seems to be the more rationalto me, although the three are implicatedin cultural imperialistic activities.
The three seem to have the concept ofdevilry and sin, unlike many African andAsian religions, and original sin seems to becrucial in one of them. With Islam you haveno burden to bear though once you committo the religion and so the original sin conceptis almost null and void.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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This is so deliberately provocative that it must be the misogynist he-devil or anti-Semitic she-devil that must be at work here, causing you to write that it is a religion itself per se and not a lapsed or "fallen" adherent of any such religion/ way of life that you are wrongfully accusing when you say that "One of them is heavily implicated in sex abuse lawsuits and has paid about 3 billion dollars in penalties / settlements thus far in the US alone."
Your sole aim is to discredit a religion and to promote some discussion.
Of relevance to those who see some of what Judaism and Islam have in common - namely Judaic elements borrowed and adapted by Islam, including some of the Judaic myths, legends and midrashic stories in the Quran.
Interesting too, Judaism and Islam by Erwin I. J. Rosenthal and of course Jewish Views on Islam and some of the interesting differences with regard to what Islam says about Jesus (no crucifixion and no resurrection – the centrepiece of Christianity) especially in the light of sceptics such as Bart Ehrman and the aggressive Kenneth Humphreys views on Jesus
As you may not be aware, blessed are they who were not there and yet believe.
"Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe."
I know that Don Harrow is the best person on this matter with his vast experience of Islam in North Africa.
Please carryon with your discussion;.
--On Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 02:10:47 UTC+1 Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
I am not so sure about the three religionssharing core theology. In Islamand Judaism Jesus is not divine and definitely nota son of God but just another human ormessenger. The role of Jesus inChristianity borders on cultism, in the viewof some Muslims and followers of Judaism.
The Trinity concept is also rejected by twoof the religions.
You don't have images, Caucasianor not plastered on the walls or erectedwithin the place of worship if you are aMuslim. Now I may have to eat my wordsin terms of some sects of Islam in the Sahel.
Water purification rites are there inIslam but not in Christianity.The calendar Is about 622 years apart,
between Islam and Christianity.The Christian Pope has some kind of infallibility
that does not exist in Islam or Judaism- asfar as I know.
Two of these religions seem to be highlymisogynistic in their fundamentalist form.One of them is heavily implicated in sex abuselawsuits and has paid about 3 billiondollars in penalties / settlements thus farin the US alone.
But in the final analysis the best personto enlighten us on this issue is Cornelius,the Wise and I hope he shares his insiderKnowledge and erudition with us.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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OAA
My point is that the three religions share the same prophets, philosophy and core theology but I agree they are not identical.
Professor Jibrin IbrahimSenior FellowCentre for Democracy and Development, AbujaFollow me on twitter @jibrinibrahim17
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Oga Jibrin:
For the three faiths there is one God but that one God is NOT the SAME for the trio.
The character of Yahweh ( or Yashem as Oga Cornelius teaches us) is different from that of Allah and Jews will be cross if you told them they might as well pray to Allah.
If the character of the Christian God can be substituted for that of Allah then what was all the blood letting in the Crusades about?
Again if the Muslims and the Christians pray to one and the SAME god, there wouldn't be all the contemporary fracas over the Temple Mount and the intifada.
We rely on you as a graduate of Barewa College and member of BOBA to spearhead the changes in that philosophy of religion propagated to current students to reflect that it is fit for purpose for the current evolutionary change in Nigeria today which is different from the 1921 focus of Barewa.
As Bishop Kukah acknowledged in the zoom interview, the Nigerian state of today has evolved beyond the scope of conception at independence and a major part of the problem is those in charge of government are using a blueprint of governance no longer fit for purpose. Nigeria is not a religious duopoly and people in position of influence should not pander to governments around the country discriminating in favour of two minority religions ( no matter the aggressive membership drive) against the majority of indigenous religions around the country.
In fact governments around the country ( both states and federal) should be sued for this propensity since independence.
OAA
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Of course there are different Gods but for Jews, Christians and Muslims, THERE IS BUT ONE GOD, i am told.
Professor Jibrin IbrahimSenior FellowCentre for Democracy and Development, AbujaFollow me on twitter @jibrinibrahim17
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The first error is to posit that it is the same God that we worship.
Youths of today are more sophisticated in their thinking and they know that the Gods of Islam and Christianity are similar, they are NOT the same. What of other non- monotheistic Gods?
This book has therefore outlived it's usefulness and a new book should be put together to emphasise the pluralism and hererogendered nature of Godhead to teach mutual respect among the youths.
OAA
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--Barewa College and Civics: Do young Nigerians know that Christians and Muslims worship the same God?
Jibrin Ibrahim
Newsdairyonline August 16, 2018
Two weeks ago, 32 of us met in Zaria to commemorate our first reunion that cold day of 5th January 1968 as the new intake of Barewa College Zaria. There were 132 of us in the set of 1968. So far, 35 of us have transitioned to the next world. In our conversations on the departed ones, it turned out that most of them died in road accidents over the 50-year period. Surviving in Nigeria is a lottery and so many of us die early due to completely avoidable accidents. We reflected on changing times. In 1968, we were in the middle of one of the most bloody civil wars in Nigerian history. Nonetheless, most of us were simply directed to the motor park without any escort and took lorries and busses from our provinces to Zaria and on to the school. Fifty years later, many of us were apprehensive about going to Zaria due to the multiple conflicts in our provinces. Those from Adamawa, Sardauna and Bornu provinces spoke of the persistence of the insurgency in the North east. Friends from Plateau and Benue provinces were concerned about inter-communal conflicts and the pastoral challenge they face. The members from Sokoto, Zaria and Katsina provinces recounted stories of their communities being sucked into rural banditry while travellers from Kano, Kabba, Ilorin and Niger provinces said they too are no longer safe. The last hurdle was of course the Abuja-Kaduna crossing where everyone had the fear of kidnappers on their mind.
I had not seen some of my class mates since we went our various ways after the WAEC exams in 1972 and some of them looked very old. Maybe that was my brain telling me that I am getting old myself. We used the Golden Jubilee celebration to launch improvements to the school facilities sponsored by the Class of 1968 as we had been agonising for a long time on how dilapidated the school had become. One thing that surprised me was when some of my mates told the principal that they never came back for the school certificates. Within ten minutes, the principal was able to give all of them their certificates. It was good to see that all our files are still intact.
One of the greatest influences in our lives has been the broad introduction we had to comparative religious education in Barewa College. This was through daily readings in assembly from: "A Book of Prayers and Readings." In 1958, the Northern Nigerian Governmentpublished the book for use in mixed assemblies of Muslim and Christian students. In his Forward to the book, Minister of Education Aliyu Makama made the important point that:
"Both Muslims and Christians are <people of the Book> and it is myearnest prayer and hope that from this book of Prayers and Readings the younger generation in particular may learn the vital truth that the things which unite us are far more important than the things that divide us."
The daily readings created in us the realization that our religions have the same values and that everyone that respect their religion must also respect other religions that draw from the same belief and value pool. It is this education about comparative religion that is missing in Nigeria today and we have so many young people who lack education in their own religion and their ignorance pushed them into the belief that the other religion is the enemy whose adherents must be killed. The book taught us about the unity of God.
THE UNITY OF GOD
God is One, the Ancient of days: Eternal, having no beginning: Everlasting, having no end, continuing for evermore. He is the First and the Last, Whose wisdom extendeth over all. He cannot be likened to anything else that exists, nor is anything like unto Him, nor is He contained by the earth or the heavens, for He is exalted far above the earth and the dust thereof.
AL GHAZALI
I am the first and I am the last, and beside me there is no God.
ISAIAH
Stand up and bless the Lord your God from everlasting to everlasting: and blessed be Thy glorious Name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise. Thou art the Lord, even Thou alone; Thou hast made heaven and the heaven of heavens, with all their host; the earth, and all the things that are therein; the seas and all that is in them; and Thou preservest them all and the host of heaven worship Thee.
NEHEMIAH
GOD'S LOVE FOR MAN: MAN'S OF GOD
Readings:
Ere he made us He loved us, and when we were made we loved Him.
JULIAN OF NORWICH
Who so knows God, loves Him, and who so loves Him He makes to dwell with Him, and whom He makes to dwell with Him, blessed is he, yea blessed.
AL MUHASIBI
RELIANCE UPON GOD
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so cloth the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? Or, What shall we drink? Or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
1. MATHEW'S GOSPEL
If ye rely upon God as He ought to be relied on, He will provide you as He provides the birds; they go out empty and hungry in the morning and come back big-bellied at eventide.
UMAR (T.I)
PRAYER
Ask and thou shalt be given it.
IBNI MASUD (T.I)
Ask and ye shall receive; seek and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you.
ST MATHEW'S GOSPEL
THE SPIRITUAL COMBAT
Readings:
In the field of this body a great war goes forward against passion, anger, pride and greed; it is in the kingdom of truth, contentment and purity that this battle is ragging and the sword that rings forth most loudly is the sword of His Name. It is a hard fight and a weary one, this fight of the truth seeker, for the truth seeker's battle goes on day and night; as long as life lasts it never ceases.
KABIR
Know you not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the price? So run that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things, now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown, but we an incorruptible. I therefore run not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air; but I keep under my body and bring it into subjection, lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
ST PAUL
HUMILITY AND PENITENCE
Prayers:
My God, of Thy mercy forgive me my sins. O Lord, through my sinful deeds make me fear Thy justice, yet the greatness of Thy compassion makes me hope in Thee. O Lord, I have not merited Paradise by my deeds, and I cannot endure the pains of Hell, so I entrust myself simply to Thy grace. Wash me from my sins; give me the hope of redeemed and in Thy mercy cast me not away from Thy presence.
YAHAYA B. MADH-EL-RAZI
Wash me thoroughly from my wickedness, and cleanse me from my sins; cast me not away from Thy presence, and take Thy Holy Spirit from me.
PSALMS
THE VALUE OF KNOWLEDGE
Wisdom is glorious and never fadeth away; yea, she is easily seen of them that love her, and found of them that seek her. She goeth before them that desire her, in making herself first known unto them. Whoso seeketh her early shall have no great travail, for he shall find her sitting at his doors.
WISDOM OF SOLOMON
Knowledge is to the mind as a lamp to the eye, and as the light of the sun to the sight. Knowledge was given to man by God, so that his reason, making use therefore, might enable him to realise how the darkness of ignorance veils him from the remembrance of the next world and the regard of his Lord upon him.
AL MUHASIBI
My prayer today is that state ministries of education should look up this book of readings and prayers and use it or a similar instrument to teach the younger generation what we learnt – that Christianity and Islam draw from the same principles and value pool. Let it be known that the greatest ignorance is Christians and Muslims killing themselves in "gods" name. Knowledge is knowing it's the same God that we worship.
Professor Jibrin IbrahimSenior FellowCentre for Democracy and Development, AbujaFollow me on twitter @jibrinibrahim17
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