Lord Agbetuyi,
I'm sure that you are also looking forward to Professor Toyin Falola's forthcoming Conversation with Sheikh AbdulRahman Ahmad? Maybe there's a question or two that you would like to take up, with him?
If I understand you rightly, your bottom line is that criminals (crime) should face the full wrath of the law.
Is it true that President Buhari told USA*s Foreign Minister that the USA should move their Military headquarters from Germany to Nigeria? It looks like Mr. President means business
Re- The commonplace assertion that "Nigeria is not a theocracy", and, strictly speaking, all the implications thereof, as if that solves all questions arising from re-legion. (I've heard the same chest-beating about Israel too, that "Israel is not a theocracy" - usually in contrast with e.g. the Islamic Republic of Iran, which is a theocracy. True – Israel - the Holy Land "is not a theocracy" – but...
In Nigeria, to begin with we are talking about a plurality as defined by Professor Afis Oladosu with Islam as one of the trinity, the other two being Christianity and Traditional worship -
concretely when you add the 12 Sharia states in Northern Nigeria to the congregations of the mega-churches, the cardinals, the archbishops, the bishops, the various pastors and their dominions in the South, religion is very much a part of the pure political air, identity politics, the political atmosphere, very much part of the warp and woof that constitutes and complicates relations among the people of Nigeria's Federal Republic and there is no escape from that reality.
From the spurious, the speculative and the hypothetical to the real. How do you and other interlocutors respond to this question:
"In fact, it is pertinent here to ask the CAN National President that between Honourable Minister Pantami who engaged the leader of Boko Haram in debates against his wrong and misguided ideologies and that Christian Minister who bailed Muhammad Yusuf three times who is it the country should rightly accuse of being a friend, supporter or member of the extremist group -Boko Haram?" (Source)
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First of all I dont support exculpation of religious leaders crimes simply because they repented and recanted. If law abiding citizens have information to assist their apprehension and trial I would support such people.
Second, Nigeria is not a theocracy. If such leaders as above aspire to public office my own reaction and condemnation would be as shown toward Pantami.
For instance if Osinbajo had been involved in similar excesses to Pantami I would be at the forefront of those calling fir his trial as soon as his term ends in 2023 ( past crime before taking office is not an impeachment offence but dereliction of duties by appropriate agencies) because crime case files never close.
I have not discounted the fact those calling for Pantami's head have ulterior motives.
My own question is are the allegations against him bordering on criminality true or false?
If true, Pantami has a case to answer ( just like the Buhari appointee with NYSC non completion case ) Why must she have been forced to resign and not Pantami? Because she is not a Muslim northern male?.Farooq never let go of the case until she resigned!
OAA
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As usual, I have a contrary view on this. In Nigeria, there are many men of God who now run very big Ministries and who have confessed to terrible crimes in the past. Such crimes include mass murder, dare devil armed robbery in which they couldn't count victims, drug addiction, gun running, child molestation, high wire frauds etc. These crimes that are confessed to were always and still being done in front of their congregations and on national TVs. They were never caught nor tried. Nigerians and the congregations just accepted the REPENTANCE and they have continued to enjoy large followership.There are others whose congregation members have gone on national TV to confess to the atrocities of their leaders. Some have shown evidences of enslavement, serial sexual assaults and other forms of criminal abuses. Unfortunately, theses always generated heated discussions, divided opinions and have fizzled out because no serious attention was paid to such matters as long as miracles continue to happen. There is a founder of a very massive church, not the Redeemed, who have serially engaged in inciting Nigerians against Govt policies.In the case of Dr Pantami, he is not being tried for any dereliction of duty. In fact, he has become a night mare for dubious communication companies who engaged in the proliferation of Sim cards thereby aiding and abetting criminality in various forms. His uncompromising stance on the linking of Sim cards to NIN has raised many predators who started this profiling. There are cases of World leaders, even among the World powers whose past were bad but shielded by party politics during their tenures. A recent example is Daniel Trump.It is therefore not trite to call Pantami a terrorist. The US denied that she ever put Pantami on any terrorist watch lists. This matter has been so blown out of proportion just to embarrass Buhari and add to he list of his alleged crimes.I think we should examine ourselves critically, our scriptures that accomadate self confessed crimes and repentance by choice and which are acceptable to us because they are born again and the other parameter in which we are thirsty for the blood of Pantami for his alleged past. We should resist blackmail by multinational companies which are interested in compromising the nation's security and sabotage our economy. SIKIRU ENIOLA, PhD
--On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 2:17 PM OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com wrote:
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Oga Cornelius:
Where is the evidence Pantami recanted his views?
Was he not the same man quoted to be issuing fatwas against opponents in this day and age?
And are there not equally competent professionals without his past baggage ( recant or no recant) that the president could choose?
OAA
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If all their wishes would come true, what would liars wish? Perhaps that they would or should stop telling lies, should stop bearing false witness against their neighbours.
Of course, Lord Agbetuyi should speak and wish for himself and not for Dr. Pantami.
Dr. Pantami has recanted some of his earlier views. He has repented , he has done tauba - to Allah ( God). What more does man want him to do?
Lord Agbetuyi's last sentence is an insult and a little besserwisser. Lord Agbetuyi with his long background in epistemology should be the first to humbly confess that he does not know and cannot know for a fact that the Hon. Minister "would have failed the test!" All that Lord Agbetuyi can be certain of is that retrospectively speaking, he himself "would have failed the test! ", perhaps, just as he knows that the sun will rise tomorrow.
With Nigeria in particular, in mind, the vetting process that he recommends should start with a verifiable declaration of assets. - to obviate the phenomenon known as from-rags-to-riches-through-politics...
In addition to the psychiatry and psychometric tests you could program Artificial Intelligence to design the 419 Lie Detector Test and somewhere down the line the prospective holders of lucrative executive posts should be asked to answer truthfully whether from-rags-to-riches-through-politics is a motive….
Who would survive all these tests? Think: e.g. Trump vs the lie-detector test before he was elected president.
--On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 18:57, OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Oga Kolapo
Psychoanalytic history as a field of history is devoted to such insights.
It is my field of specialisation.
When it comes to Pantami, the fact that he is said to be still issuing fatwas against his opponents means his past is still with him. He is therefore unsuitable for the post
In fact this underscores the point I have suggested before ( which WS hinted at regarding Abacha) that before persons seeking clearance for powerful executive posts are cleared, psychiatrist and psychometric tests should be administered.
If this was done, the embarrassment of Pantami would not have happened. He would have failed the test!
OAA
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-------- Original message --------From: Femi Kolapo <kolapof@uoguelph.ca>Date: 21/04/2021 09:19 (GMT+00:00)Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Pantami is My Friend, But He Can't Be Defended
yes, Farooq , the nature of being ever continues to display mysterious aspects. Personhood is made up of several layers and many contradictory, overlapping, and competing versions of the self. and this embodiment in a multiplicity of personas raises the level of complexity higher than in my earlier question of how, when, and whether people change. it requires that we include in our reckoning of the human a selfhood that is composite—sometimes evolving and unstable composites. I don't know that History and the Social Sciences have tools to properly analyze this aspect of human experience except as historians borrow insights, concepts and theories from psychology, theology, anthropology, and philosophy. Unfortunately, in trying to maintain its autonomy, History has been rather unenthusiastic to borrow from others.
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Oga Femi,--
These are powerful, thoughtful questions. I also recall the disjunction between Malcolm X's fierce, fiery, and uncompromising public demeanor and the fact that he was shy, almost diffident, and overly polite in private, according to his biographers. Who was the real Malcolm X? The hothead in public or the quiet man in private?
People who know me only through my public commentaries also think I'm a grouchy, fire-eating man, but people who know me in private, as Oga Falola will testify, know me as a compulsively smiling introvert, and can't reconcile my public persona with my private persona. Who am I?
Of course, I didn't bring up Pantami's other side to obscure his clearly condemnable past utterances in support of terrorism ( because nothing at all can attenuate that), but to show why I could be on friendly terms with him in the times that I've known him even though I'm not even a religious person. I had never listened to any of his homilies until fairly recently. In fact, I don't understand enough Hausa to grasp an extended sermon in it. I routinely turn to Moses, who speaks Hausa natively even though he's Idoma, when my working knowledge of Hausa fails me.
Goes to show that all human beings embody a multiplicity of personas.
Farooq
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021, 8:07 AM Femi Kolapo <kolapof@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
--This is an intriguing piece indeed and it must be difficult to write about a friend and it and your response to it raise interesting questions. Can people's passionate words express their sincere thoughts and motives and even define them – completely? Under what condition do people change very drastically in their personality and what aspects of their personality changes when do?
An extreme case would be how to square the public persona of Hitler with the report of his refined and hospitable demeanor to some guests who said they were once hosted by him. Closer home we may ask how can some of our great African statesmen and women who otherwise are very kind, helpful, compassionate individuals and great parents, many of who often are confirmed to be deeply religious, loot dry the government coffers that were entrusted to their charge without batting an eyelid at the suffering they cause to the ordinary people?
Thus, given the right context, the right mix of circumstances, can/can't people who in their ordinary lives manifest compassion, kindness, and peacefulness perpetrate great evil? Hannah Arendt's controversial concept of the banality of evil comes to mind here.
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A thought for the month:
Compassion is more than passing feelings of sorrow and sympathy. It is costly identification with those who suffer in their suffering and oppression [and a call to]. experience their brokenness. It requires a total conversion of heart and mind. - Paul G Hiebert, Transforming Worldviews.
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' Nevertheless, while I denounce Pantami's past embrace of extremism in his public preaching, I want to point out that there is a vast disjunction between his rhetoric and his person. People who know him outside the pulpit attest to his compassion, kindness, and peacefulness' FK.I appreciate your courage in writing on this issue, despite your friendship with Malam Pantami. But I disagree with the above paragraph. It appears to be an attempt to exonerate the man from who he is. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh, says Jesus Christ in the Bible. What kind of kindness or compassion make Pantami support the killing of fellow human beings, except of course he is saying non-Muslims are not human beings? Perhaps, if one can talk to one or two friends of Osama Bin Laden, they may also say the same thing about his niceness and fake compassion. Yet, he perpetrated an evil of such magnitude on September 11. While Malam Pantami is entitled to his violent views, he should not have accepted a political appointment in a plural t state like Nigeria, except of course he did that to further his violent ideology and views. I shudder to think that he is actually a Minister in charge of a sensitive Ministry like Communication. Who says this man cannot be responsible for leaking sensitive information to Boko Haram and other terrorists? With such violent antecedents, how did he pass the security clearance that is expected of all public office holders? How did the Department of State Security clear him? What background check did the National Assembly do on him before his appointment was ratified? And more importantly, why has the President not deem it fit to suspend him since this news broke out, pending when the man is able to prove that he is no more a terrorist enabler? Why? I can establish a link between the attitude of the Government to this issue and what Father Mathew Kukah said in his Xmas Letter. There is a double standard in Nigeria. It all depends on where the pendulum swings. Whether or not Pantani is on the US terrorist list, I will suggest that he step down from the position while a full investigation should be launched to verify his past and present links to terrorist groups. Until this is done, there is no reason to doubt what Oluwatoyin Adepoju, Olusegun Obasanjo, Obadiah Mailafia and others have been saying that this government might be in bed with terrorists and maybe pursuing an Islamization agenda through the various terrorist groups.
Femi Segun
--On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 9:03 AM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:
God have mercy.
Wow!
Thanks for this effort Farooq.
I have not checked the links but I expect they are accurate.
Now, what will happen?
Nothing, as I more than half expect?
In what way is Pantami different from Miyetti Allah, the terrorist arm of the Buhari govt?
Toyin
--On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 10:20 Farooq A. Kperogi <farooqkperogi@gmail.com> wrote:
--Saturday, April 17, 2021
Pantami is My Friend, But He Can't Be Defended
By Farooq A. Kperogi
Twitter: @farooqkperogi
This is a difficult column to write because although scores of people have importuned me to intervene in the controversy regarding Communication and Digital Economy Minister Isa Ali Ibrahim Pantami's utterances before he came into government, my wife, who knows Pantami is my friend, pleaded with me to stay out of it.
But I would be a hypocrite and betray the meaning of my name (and also my late father who taught me the meaning of my name when I was too young to fully grasp it and who never failed to remind me to live up to it) if I sidestep this consuming national controversy because it puts my friend in a bad light.
The truth is that it's impossible to deploy the resources of logic, reason, basic decency, and even religious morality to defend some of the sermons Pantami gave in the early to late 2000s, especially in light of his current position as a federal minister in charge of a vast treasure trove of citizens' sensitive information. I'll come to this shortly.
But, first, how did the controversy about Pantami's past preachments come to the forefront of national conversation? A story appeared in a few Nigerian news sites on April 12 alleging that Pantami was a Boko Haram sympathizer and enabler who is now on the radar of America's intelligence community.
The most prominent of the newspapers that gave wing to this story was James Ibori's Daily Independent, which alleged that Pantami had "ties with Abu Quata¬da al Falasimi and other Al-Qaeda leaders that he revered and spoke glowingly of in several of his videos on YouTube" on the basis of which he is now "on the watch list of the [sic] America's Intelligence Service."
The backstory to this story is that it was planted by executives of telecommunications companies in Nigeria whose companies are hemorrhaging financially because of Pantami's December 9, 2020 directive that halted the sale, activation, and registration of new SIM cards until an "audit of the Subscriber Registration Database" is completed.
I know this because at least two editor friends confided in me that they had received the story of Pantami's alleged links to terrorism and his surveillance by US intelligence authorities from people connected to Nigeria's telecommunications industry, but that they declined to publish it because it was legally problematic.
I suspect that Pantami himself has identified the source of his troubles because, on April 15, he ordered a conditional resumption of new SIM card sale, activation and registration from April 19 "as long as mandatory National Identification Number (NIN) verification is done and the guidelines of the Revised National Digital Identity Policy for SIM Card Registration are fully adhered to."
Nonetheless, in spite of efforts by paid and unpaid media and social media "influencers" to defend him—and the retraction of the story that alleged his sympathies for domestic and international terrorists—the truth is that his rhetorical entanglements with extremist Salafist ideologies, which I wasn't familiar with until fairly recently, justify the critical scrutiny he is receiving now.
In a series of reports, complete with audiographic accompaniments, the Peoples Gazette has unearthed sermons by Pantami that amounted to unvarnished homiletic endorsements of terrorism and intolerance of non-Muslims.
For instance, in response to a question about Osama bin Laden's "killing of innocent unbelievers," Pantami said although he conceded that Bin Laden was liable to err because he was human, "I still consider him as a better Muslim than myself" and pointed out that "We are all happy whenever unbelievers are being killed, but the Sharia does not allow us to kill them without a reason." You can't defend that.
People's Gazette also unearthed an audiotape in which he engaged in a weepy defense of Boko Haram terrorists against extra-judicial killings and asked for an amnesty for them just like Niger Delta militants. "See what our fellow Muslim brothers' blood has turned to? Even pig blood has more value than that of a fellow Muslim brother," he said.
In the aftermath of the religious crisis in Shendam in Plateau State in 2004 in which Christian militiamen murdered scores of Hausa Muslims, Pantami was livid and tearful. In an audio of his preaching, he said the "Ahlus Sunna," that is, people who are now called Salafists, should strike back and shun politicians and religious clerics who preached peace and restraint.
"This jihad is an obligation for every single believer, especially in Nigeria (hādhā jihād farḍ 'ayn 'ala kull muslim wa-khuṣūṣan fī Nījīriyā)," he said.
In his March 2019 paper titled "The 'Popular Discourses of Salafi Counter-Radicalism in Nigeria' Revisited: A Response to Abdullahi Lamido's Review of Alexander Thurston, Boko Haram," Professor Andrea Brigaglia of the University of Cape Town, South Africa, writes:
"Subsequently, Pantami offers himself as a volunteer to mobilise the Hisba police of the Muslim-majority states and to be appointed as the 'commander' (Hausa: kwamanda) of a militia ready to travel to Yelwa Shendam to join the fight in defence of the Muslims. The speech, which is about twenty minutes long, concludes with the prayer: 'Oh God, give victory to the Taliban and to al-Qaeda' (Allahumma 'nṣur Ṭālibān wa-tanẓīm al-Qā'ida)."
There are many more indefensible rhetorical endorsements of extremism that can be found in Pantami's past preaching. In my opinion, it is legitimate for non-Muslims to be concerned that someone with that sort of baggage is a federal minister—just like it would be valid for Muslims to be outraged if a Christian minister has been shown to have espoused extremist views before they became minister.
Yemi Osinbajo, for instance, has been accused of being an intolerant, narrow-minded Christian extremist who wallows in his Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) bubble, who employs only Yoruba people who belong to the RCCG, but while that is condemnable, no one has yet accused of him advocating views as extreme as Pantami's when he was a pastor.
Nevertheless, while I denounce Pantami's past embrace of extremism in his public preaching, I want to point out that there is a vast disjunction between his rhetoric and his person. People who know him outside the pulpit attest to his compassion, kindness, and peacefulness.
Although an April 15, 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable (exposed by WikiLeaks in 2011) about the religious crisis in Bauchi during that year said "Imam Fantami Isa, who preached at the mosque, had been previously thrown out of Abubakar Tafawa Balewa University and of a Gombe mosque for preaching inflammatory rhetoric," he is not known to have instigated any religious upheavals since then.
I also think he has evolved from the days of his fiery homiletic entanglements with stochastic terrorism. I can point to a few evidentiary proofs. First, although he said in one audio that he wanted to push Nigeria to the point where there would be no iconography in our national currency and even political campaign posters, he now obviously loves photography.
Second, although previous sermons expressed contempt for working for the government and even derided Islamic clerics who do, this is Pantami's second political appointment. Before he was appointed minister, he was DG of NITDA.
Third, he earned a doctorate from the UK's Robert Gordon University in 2014 and is now so enamored of the West that he even claims on his Twitter page and elsewhere that he was "trained" at "Oxford; Harvard; Cambridge; MIT/IMD" although he only attended a few weeks' courses there after being in government.
But the notion that these facts show evidence that he has changed is just my extrapolation. If he indeed has evolved like I think he has, he should address a world press conference and say so. At the very least, he should give the context for his previous incendiary preachments.
No one can do this for him. Paying media houses to "fact-check" un-fact-checkable claims (such as whether he is on a watchlist) and to cleverly twist facts to deceive a gullible reading public— and social media "influencers" to muddy the discursive waters— won't help him.
After all, in December 2020, Sheikh Aminu Daurawa who, like Pantami, countenanced Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the early to mid-2000s, released an audiotape renouncing his past. And he isn't a government appointee.
As Desmond Ford reminds us, "A wise man changes his mind sometimes, but a fool never. To change your mind is the best evidence you have one."
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