"How long shall they kill our prophets
While we stand aside and look ?" ( Marley)
What else to expect from the uncle toms and their idols?
Should the land redistribution go the way of Zimbabwe, will the South African Rand suffer the same fate as the Zimbabwe dollar which was going for $ 1 = 1 Zimba dollar in 1981 and by the time the land seizures started in Zimbabwe it was 1,000,000 Zimbabwe dollars to $ 1
All of South Africa's diamonds and gold, where did they go?
Who is singing about trillions of American dollars in reparations and compensation?
The oppressor never liked the song Umshini wami or those who sang it. Nor can they sing Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika with 1% commitment or even half of their heart or head and mean it. These days, nothing gives them greater joy than witnessing the mishaps and the birth pains of the Africa that will emerge and smirking that Africans are messing up big time, that they can't govern themselves, that "the good for nothing boyish, grown-up, shiftless jigger" is going nowhere
Putting it crudely, the way I see it, a common perception and unlike Biko Agozino it's not all of us that have a PhD in criminology from Cambridge, but we know that in the name of selfish self-interest, of course, the imperial powers ( the impis) and like Judas of old, their collaborators, the house Negroes and their other willing agents are going after him ( Zuma), they want his blood and are arresting the alleged " instigators ", because Zuma for all his faults, misdeeds, shortcomings still has the support of that faction of the ANC that wants radical change, radical economic transformation to deal with the Apartheid hangover, and a more equitable long overdue redistribution of their ancestral patrimony ( their land) which cannot just be usurped, confiscated by settler colonisation seized from the rightful owners and sold among themselves, to the highest bidders.
Indeed, according to Desmond Tutu , "When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."
So, Bishop Tutu, where do we go from here?
" Jesus loves you, this I know
For the Bible tells me so"
And "Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven" etc.
Is it not desirable and just – that just like Israel, we have both the Bible and the land?
Miles Davis: Tutu
Jimmy Dludlu ( his latest, " Mediterranean Crossing"
--On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 17:57, 'Biko Agozino' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:--Those who cannot access the book chapter through inter-library loan will be able to download a different version on the same theory here:BikoOn Tuesday, 20 July 2021, 11:12:41 GMT-4, Biko Agozino <bikozino@yahoo.com> wrote:See chapter 22 Imperialism: A General Theory of Crimes of the Powerful
Revisiting Crimes of the Powerful: Marxism, Crime and Deviance
Frank Pearce was the first scholar to use the term 'crimes of the powerful.' His ground-breaking book of the sam...
BikoOn Tuesday, 20 July 2021, 10:49:00 GMT-4, <bikozino@yahoo.com> wrote:Cornel the WiseI have a chapter in this book that may help bro Ken to answer his commodity fetishism question with the withering away of the law thesis:BikoOn Jul 20, 2021 10:26 AM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Ken,
I crave your indulgence. My own worldview and perspective which is slightly different from yours, I'm sure.
I take it that you familiar with The Bofors Affair // The Bofors Scandal, reminiscent of yesterday's proceedings at Zuma's trial about an arms deal that goes back to 1999….
There's nothing to disagree about in all that you have said in this thread, the main difference is that you are anxious to nail your man, inflict some maximum pain on him, take away his freedom, send him to prison, maybe send him to Robben Island, whereas the more compassionate understanding is that it should be sufficient to seize the assets he has acquired illegally and to impose a very heavy fine which could reduce him to a lifestyle commensurate with that of Uruguay's Honourable President Jose Mujica "the world's poorest president "
As to where you are coming from, I should suppose that Kenneth Harrow an area representative Amnesty International brings those values and that kind of approach to the Jacob Zuma debacle, with the long-suffering, economically oppressed people of South Africa, including the nouveau riche middle class as the underdog.
My very first impression about your sense of justice was in connection with the execution of the Sufi saint Mansur Al-Hallaj who famously said, "anal haqq" ( "I am the truth"), not radically different from what Jesus the professed son of God taught his disciple about himself and for which he was also executed, in his case for his famous I am sayings, the most famous of which is "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
At least, Jacob Zuma is not accused of saying " I am the truth" ( is he?) or " I am God/ the son of God" or " I am the bread of life" or even , philosophically and poetically speaking, " I am the bread" or " I am the milk and honey, I am the money" ( Mr. Money Bags). In the people's court his main sin has been the misuse of his executive powers as Chairman of the ANC and President of The Republic of South Africa.
We may suppose that when thinking about the philosophy behind the law, the punitive, vindictive law, on one level it's all about the primitive notion, " If you've done the crime, you must do the time" , or is that he should be crucified? At least he should be happy that the South African legal system does not impose the death penalty, no matter how severe or expensive the crime.
Ditto Israel. In the case of South Africa, in those early post-Apartheid days Madiba Nelson Mandela and his regime would have had the painful duty of hanging a vast backlog of criminals, mostly white volks long overdue for execution for crimes against humanity, and that would have generated some knee-jerk, backlash reaction from Europe and the rest of the West to see members of their own race, like Eichmann, being executed for what they have done. Bloodthirsty payback time.
After the first wave of executions ( despite protests from the likes of the servile Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the World Council of Churches,) the EU, The USA, the UN, the ICC, the IMF, the World Bank etc. would have been unanimous in their decision: Sanctions Against South Africa and this time Thatcher and Reagan would not have been saying that sanctions would have been a crime against humanity or that sanctions would hurt the poor African people...
In the case of Israel, if the death penalty had not been abolished then how many Palestinians would not have been hanged for terrorism? That too would have given rise to extreme anti-Semitism throughout the Arab and the Muslim World, not to mention the Wild West and the rest of the universe...
Today, the country Israel has a more developed judicial system so developed in its impartiality and the equality of citizens before the law which is no respecter of persons, to the extent that we have examples that are unprecedented in Africa: Israel : former presidents jailed without causing any insurrection, looting, civil strife or threat of civil war.
So, the main strength or weakness in your assessment of the situation is that you want to impose a standard on South Africa without due consideration of the democratic mature of the country to absorb the shock-wave of its effects - the civil strife that should inevitably follow (The Zulu are the majority ethnicity ). In both Nigeria and South Africa ( Africa's two biggest economies) the recovery of the loot is paramount. Zuma is already a statutory example and not a role model.
It's exactly as Dr. Sikuru Eniola presents the dilemma in his comment on Helen Zille's explanation of Zuma's own peculiar patriarchal behaviour
"In South Africa, Zuma was not going to be allowed by the ruling ANC. His nomination and rejection even by Mandela himself bothered on the unresolved issues of his educational background and not very cosmopolitan of his pedigree. The only concession he had was his dedicated and loyal anti apartheid activism...Those who were opposed to his nomination were proved right in the eventual primitive acquisition of state wealth and opulence. What happened in South Africa was indeed a victory to the people's constitution. If the Nigerian Constitution is allowed to function or if we have a thriving judicial process, some past presidents, military and civilian, Governors and former Ministers would be in jail. Imagine a corruption case that has been on since 2003! Many corrupt persons on bail are now opinion leaders."
As is crystal clear in the current South African context, this matter is not merely an open and shut case of crime and punishment
The outcome of incontrovertible guilt ( e.g. Derek Chauvin's which was captured on video) is punishment. In the case of Jacob (the trickster) Zuma of Umshini wami pedigree , you have already asked the question which Biko Agozino has answered.
You have said that you can't " imagine any reasonable defense. much less reason to release him from prison, unless it is to say that a zulu uprising, which he is attempting to foster, would be worse than trying to keep a judicial state intact.
between these two imperatives, one might have to choose, but only if one is honest enough to say they are willing to ditch justice in order to have peace.
Biko may have something to add but in my opinion he has already responded adequately to your misgivings in this thread…
Amandla !
--On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 01:00, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:--dear corneliusyou and biko argue that no one is guilty till proven guilty, and i don't disagree.however, what if the mechanisms for establishing guilt have been "captured," as they were under zuma. still, others not captured risked their lives to pursue the case against him while he was president. one such person was thuli madonsela. she was in the office of South African Public Protector. A film about this extraordinarily courageous woman was made by Shameela Seedat, and we awarded it first prize for the african studies association film competition two years ago. her investigation continued for 2 years and she produced a report showing how zuma and the guptas effected "state capture." the film make last year by desai details how zuma and the guptas took over the mechanisms of state to enable themselves to steal literally billions of dollars.
the trial already occurred in the sense that the public protector, an extraordinary office created precisely to protect a free south africa from the acts of people like zuma submitted her report. the trial etc that followed has been stalled by zuma ever since.
it is disingenous, knowing the full history of how the public protectors office and then the courts attempted to bring these thieves to justice were stymied, and then to say, he is still innocent until proven guilty. it is not as if we are starting from scratch in this case. there is a point where we can make a judgment, not a legal judgment, but a political and ethical one.if we were to wait till perfect justice were pronounced by the courts in this case, or cases like these, we would be rewarding those who were able to stymie the justice system itself.
i feel there are two issues particularly troubling. one, as i said, was the abuse of power by a president; but the other is abuse of revolutionary standing, a betrayal of what the revolution was for.ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Machela's Tribute to nonexistent Western ExceptionalismDear Ken,
I know that you would like to nail Zuma, but many thanks for sparing me with this gracious response. I had thought that you were going to hit harder, as if you don't know that we're on the same side when it comes to anti-corruption, fighting corruption and injustice, whether it's Nigeria or Zimbabwe.
You are not alone in your disappointment, every decent, self-respecting person is disappointed and angry that this kind of perfidy could have been allowed to continue for so long, by the top ANC people around Zuma, for so many, many years. Is it a case of "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely?" Has Zuma at any time had "Absolute Power"? Does the New S.A. Constitution confer that kind of power on its president? Is Zuma "absolutely corrupt-ed"?
He sure has a case to answer to. I seem to remember that P.W Botha of the old South Africa refused to do obey a court summons to appear at the TRC and nothing came of it….Do you smell a difference there?
You say that during Zuma's stint as president, "he destroyed as much of the institutions of south africa that would have brought him and the guptas to justice as was possible. only when he was no longer president was it possible for the judges to do their work. they made off with billions. the guptas fled to dubai, and i presume no one will recover what zuma made it possible for them to steal from the south african people, whose poverty must account for their now taking to the street. "
In passing judgment on Zuma, you say that, "it isn't rotting in hell zuma deserves, it is rotting in prison, with his son and the indian thieves he allowed to destroy what mandela and mbeki and chris hani and ruth first and a generation of brave revolutionaries died to build. "
You have made you moral case, you have the best of intentions, you are not in Zuma's shoes. You know how it is, some people lay their hand on the Holy Bible and take the Presidential oath of Office fully conscious of what they are saying, and so many years later on trial for corruption on the same Bible swear that they are going to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, although they know that what they intend to do is the exact opposite, mostly to save their own black or white skin. There ought to be a lie detector test. Zuma ought to volunteer to take one, to lay all doubts to rest, but the argument against that is that these lie-detector tests can prove unreliable, he can even start believing in his own truths, to the extent that if you ask him, " Are you the Messiah of South Africa ?" you can be sure that he's going to say either yes or no, and be telling the truth, right?
" And the truth shall set you free"
I'm not holding brief for him and I'm not any criminal defence attorney. Heaven forbid, that I would as you say, "white" wash or justify any White or Black Power president's misdemeanours in South Africa when it's about a betrayal of the people's trust, as is evidently the case with Jacob Zuma. For crying out loud, how could anyone in such a position of trust, and bearing the wonderful name Jacob not be more considerate to his own people, considering what they and we have been through from the beginning of Apartheid, until what we saw transpiring in court today…and what's due to happen tomorrow...
If he has a free and fair trial, and all the charges made against him are proved beyond any reasonable doubt, many of both his enemies and supporters may recoil in disgust. No smoke without fire, and the accusations against him have been coming in steadily during all his days in office: About a year ago it was 856 charges of corruption and he has denied each and every one. If found guilty, he deserves his just deserts through his contributions to the struggle should be factored in as part of the ameliorating "circumstances ": Of course, we want to see the rule of law everywhere in Africa, and take what The Rev Dr Martin Lurther King wrote from the Birmingham jail, most seriously, that " Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
.Otherwise, you and I and the rest of us who are completely at a loss would like to see a stern example set so that no South African President should ever go down that way again. If the charges that have been piling up against him since he was VP are true, then he should have been stopped a long time ago; the very soul of the ANC is at stake ( over here in Sweden it took a bagatelle like theToblerone affair to stop Mona Sahlin in her tracks. Which proves that Sweden is not S outh Africa and South Africa is not Sweden. In South Africa, it takes an earthquake, in Sweden, it takes a bar of chocolate…
For crying out loud, if his partners in crime and the stalwart God-fearing ANC people around the then President Zuma could not stop him, bring him to order, then where was the moral backbone of the ANC left to talk about? From that point of view, Ramaphosa could be said to be doing his best to do the right thing....but given the volatile nature of the situation just now – Ramaphosa is sitting on a keg of dynamite that could explode right under his e$$ if he's not very careful, so peace here is better than symbolic Justice.
The last word on this matter goes to Jewish ethics and the Rabbinic wisdom that dictates, seeking peace overrides seeking justice – and last not least to Professor Biko Agozino, our certified criminologist and Human rights Activist and his opinion and recommendations about the matter, so succinctly expressed here.
Amandla!
--On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 17:46, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
--if you read a bit on zuma's state capture, cornelius, you wouldn't be trying to whitewash his crimes.the film by desai on his and the gupta's crimes would outrage any decent person. he was not duped; he even placed his son in the middle of the rotten business; corrupted and fired ministers and judges.why do i care? after working with anti-apartheid friends for decades, i celebrated the liberation of mandela and south africa. not to see what zuma and the anc turned the revolution into.nothing is more despicable than a powerful ruler abusing his people and stealing from them, corrupting the state, enriching himself and his friends. one account as the loss as 1 trillon rands.
you can read zillions of accounts that solidify this reading. here is one:ken
kenneth harrow
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dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah's dictum "Seek ye first the political kingdom and all else shall be added onto you" is manifestly not working for South Africa. From the very beginning we should have been talking about reparations.
To begin with, when 84% of the land, the South African People's Land is still in the hands of their economic oppressors and exploiters of the Apartheid-era, which "political kingdom" are we talking about?
Here's an absurd example which any sane person will reject outright: 84 % of The Land of Israel in the hands of the Palestinians, and their former president is on trial for corruption and collusion with some Indians with whom he actually " cobbled together contracts for government projects from which they siphoned off billions--billions--of dollars " and meanwhile, the colluding Indians have since found a safe haven for themselves in Dubai, out of harm's way, far, far away from Justice, are probably singing the song "Can't catch me". As any Palestinian will tell you, you can't have freedom or independence if you are not legally recognised as the sovereign owners and masters of your own land.
Since Israel believes that they have the gold standard ( God-given) when it comes to morality and law, Israelis don't like being present where there's any talk of "Apartheid" happening in their holy land, whether the equal or unequal rights is legal, illegal, sexual, economic, religious, just, unjust, so we have to abandon that absurd example for the time being.
Zuma's trial resumed a few hours ago and is being broadcast live
Zuma the tragic hero. Zuma, not being a very savvy, economically astute dude like Cyril Ramaphosa the business tycoon, it's possible that the Guptas could have easily duped him. There's always "mitigating circumstances" that we may be unaware of as we rush to judgements;
what is inconceivable is that in seeking the economic kingdom Comrade Jacob Zuma could or would have knowingly connived with the Guptas, to rob his poor, long-suffering people blind. Are claims of 'insurrection', 'coups', 'sabotage', 'twelve instigators' not Ramaphosa's State-sponsored mainstream media aided propaganda, it is not the first time he cried wolf on sabotage? …
iNjeje declares Ramaphosa and Zondo persona non-grata in eight provinces
The ugly atmosphere in the country and the negative press that Ramaphosa is getting does not augur well for the peace, prosperity and stability of the country…
Recovering as much of the alleged loot as possible should go a long way in helping to relieve poverty. What do the witch-hunters intend to achieve by sending Zuma to Robben Island? Ditto with Jesus and with Nnamdi Kanu too, the best outcome would be to tell him: "You are free to go" – and see what he's going to do after that declaration of mercy for him.
In Sierra Leone the threat that's hanging in the air and this, everybody knows: That if Bio touches Ernest Bai Koroma , there will be a civil war in that country
I know and believe that it's a Judaic value ( this can be argued until thy kingdom come: Peace trumps justice
--On Mon, 19 Jul 2021 at 01:37, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
In the case of South Africa, Kwame Nkrumah's dictum "Seek ye first the political kingdom and all else shall be added onto you" , doesn't seem to be working.
"The Whites finally made an agreement with Mandela to have economic power in exchange for political power." (Hosea Jaffe)
Understandably, 27 years after the first democratic elections in South Africa, the long-suffering people mourn that the economic kingdom has not been added, is in fact still a long ways away and that's what they are passionate about: In the name of Justice
" They want radical economic transformation to deal with the Apartheid hangover." -
They also want a more equitable long overdue redistribution of their land.
It's all here: SOUTH AFRICA NEWSPAPERS AND NEWS SITES
Let's say that at Zuma's trial which resumes tomorrow, the prosecution is able to present a mountain of corruption from way back at the time of the arms deal scandals as admissible evidence - that Zuma illegally lifted a few drops out of the ocean, that the cat drank more than just a few cups of the milk … and as for the Guptas, shouldn't they be repatriated from wherever they are hiding and forcibly made to vomit what they have taken, back to the state coffers?
If it's the peace and stability of South Africa that's at stake then we must find a way past Ken's grim alternatives. There must be a way whereby justice is also served and seen to have been served : Zuma pays the fines, repays what he has borrowed - illegal assets are seized. He goes home to his family as a free South African.
Looking a little further into the future, Cyril Ramaphosa the unctuous business tycoon now at the helm of state affairs may also be facing anti-corruption commissions of inquiry from which he may not emerge scot-free and may then find himself also pleading for mercy…
Why should Ken insist on being so vindictive?
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 16:39, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
i want to add a drop. the films on zuma detail, in great detail, what is being called "state capture" in south africa, where the guptas and zuma set out to destroy the anti-corruption and judicial system, as they cobbled together contracts for government projects from which they siphoned off billions--billions--of dollars. for all of zuma's popularity and past in the anc, he become an instrument of greed and corruption that really damaged the south african economy and efforts to build an equitable state. the people's resources were stolen.
that is the key to the issue. the rest, the politics of ramaphose or mbeki etc is irrelevant to his case. the question was, could they actually stop him. for many years, despite brave anticorruption judges, nothing worked. finally, a brave woman, a judge, put him in jail,and his corruption trials are still on-going procedures.i can't for the life of me imagine any reasonable defense. much less reason to release him from prison, unless it is to say that a zulu uprising, which he is attempting to foster, would be worse than trying to keep a judicial state intact.between these two imperatives, one might have to choose, but only if one is honest enough to say they are willing to ditch justice in order to have peace.ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
517 803-8839
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Machela's Tribute to nonexistent Western ExceptionalismRe- " thank God Brother Zuma is not being accused of " Ethnic Ensilaging"?
Correction : thank God Brother Zuma is not being accused of " Ethnic Cleansing "
( PAC's motto was " One settler, one bullet "
On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 00:42, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Gloria in excelsis Deo!
I did not go to Nigeria to look for my roots. I was in Nigeria because Wole Soyinka had declared a theatre war year against Apartheid South Africa, prior to which I had kept the company of a few South Africans, in Sierra Leone, the United Kingdom, Sweden. Of course, at this point, I don't want to get bogged down with details about what may be too personal a tale which should be read elsewhere. And about details, sometimes what's left unsaid – including explorations of psychological motivations could be more interesting and even more significant than all the rest that shouldn't be put in black and white, failing which, we only have another cryptic example of dear Ken Baskin's signifying monkey:
" a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
I'm irritated that Gloria says, " He went so far as to call it (The South African Communist Party) a racist organization that could not be trusted."
What's known for sure is that most of these organisations ( including radical Islamic ones) are regularly infiltrated, some of the infiltrators even getting to leadership positions from which they can start acting abnormally, in a counter-revolutionary manner - skilfully change directions, start saying and doing extremist kinds of things, to the said organisation's credit/ discredit, organisations such as Hamas, al-Qaeda, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's Islamic State, leaving the uninitiated asking, today and tomorrow what is Mohammed Dahlan up to?
Briefly, a layman's view:
During that cold war period and after Castro's Cuba had helped liberate Angola, Apartheid South Africa's worst nightmare was the prospect of the oppressed African people of that country putting Apartheid under arrest, a liberated, multi-racial majority rule South Africa going communist and nationalising all the gold and diamond mines in the country. Consequently, successive South African Apartheid Governments were in overdrive doing their full-time propaganda against "the communist scare". That's what the cold war in Southern Africa was all about, that's why Reagan and Thatcher were 100% in favour of their policy of "No sanctions against the racist South African regime" – they were being compassionate they said, and their argument was that sanctions would "hurt" the already vulnerable, oppressed African people. Who hasn't heard of Oppenheimer ? De Beers ? De Beers and the Sierra Leone Selection Trust controlling Sierra Leone's diamonds? The scandals about Barclays Bank? Who doesn't remember Tiny Rowlands or Tiny Rowlands in connection with South Africa?
It's understandable that since he was talking about the future of South Africa which at that point was being bedevilled by racism (and still is) Khaled al-Mansour goes to some lengths in trying to discredit his rivals Christianity and Communism as racist, tries to disparage Marx himself as a "racist" quoting the German (and Swedish) word "neger" which he translates as suggestive of "Nigger" because Marx allegedly wrote on the margins of a letter to his friend De Sale "Unfortunately, I'm sure that you will not understand what I'm saying, because you are a Neger" ("Nigger"). Marx could have been joking of course, even if al-Mansour believes that in the context of that letter the German word "Neger" is not a joking matter…
Noteworthy : In the same trajectory as AWO: Jacob Zuma's Education Reforms in South Africa
Ramaphosa has already accused Jacob Zuma of "ethnic mobilisation" ( thank God Brother Zuma is not being accused of " Ethnic Ensilaging"...Ramaphosa says that they had identified some of the ringleaders stirring up the insurrection, anarchy, mayhem, and added, rather ominously in terms reminiscent of President Muhammadu Buhari's tweet which was deleted by Twitter , that he was going to deal with them, words that must sound like music to the ears of the business community - an unstable country, the possibility of a civil war is bad news - is not good for business.
" It's quite clear", says the holier-than-thou Ramaphosa, " that these appalling incidents of unrest and looting were being instigated and we are after these folks, we are going after them, we have identified a good number of them. We will not allow anarchy and mayhem to just unfold in our country !"
Milton Nkosi had this to say on BBC Focus on Africa, an hour before Ramaphosa's address to the nation :
" There are indications that the people who they believe are instigators, as Prez R said, are people who come from the intelligence community, who are also part of the ANC infighting and they said there are about twelve of them" ( Like Jesus and his disciples)
"He said, "we're going after them " and he means it. He's got 10,000 soldiers ready to quell any uprising and he's got the force – the police force and the prosecuting authorities ready for those arrests. The only thing is that this is much bigger than the just release Jacob Zuma campaign… as everybody can see, the gloves are off and we're really watching a chasm that is widening almost on a daily basis; so, basically within the ANC we have one side, call it the Jacob Zuma camp which says that they want radical economic transformation to deal with the Apartheid hangover. Take the land from the White people without compensation – there's a legal term for it, , it's called " expropriation of land without compensation" - you need to change the constitution to implement it in its fullest form – and there's the other side the Cyril Ramaphosa side says, let's be gentle, step by step "
Milton Nkosi was asked what he thought would be his priorities if he was standing in Caesar Ramaphosa's boots, right now.
He answered :
"No 1, you need to preserve your presidency. If you are weak, you won't be president very soon. It's very clear that your comrades within the ANC want you out and they want you out NOW. So the first thing is you put the boot on their neck and you keep them there. , so that you can plan for the next election. Whether that boot will work, as we see now CR has put these thousands of boots down on the ground, it's another matter. But for now President C.R. - politically – seems to have the upper hand within the internal… of the ANC"
On Sat, 17 Jul 2021 at 01:34, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali,
Many thanks for these offerings ( for the diminishing of the ignorance of the ignoramuses
On Saturday, 17 July 2021 at 00:40:15 UTC+2 Gloria Emeagwali wrote:
In 2010, I interviewed the great Hosea Jaffe and recognized his scepticism of Joe Slovo and what Jaffe categorized as Eurosocialism.In fact Jaffe was wary, rightly or wrongly, of the South African Communist Party,and seemed to doubt that Black South Africans had a bright future with it,automatically. He went so far as to callit a racist organization that could not be trusted.
Chris Hani may have been a safer bet? I guess we would never know for sure.
Gloria Emeagwali
On Jul 16, 2021, at 16:26, Cornelius Hamelberg <Cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Ken,
Almost the 9th of Av.
Sad times.
There's all the people you mention and Joe Slovo who by now would have overseen the construction of 500, 000 new housing units in Soweto and all the other townships scattered all over South Africa.
How did Cyril Ramaphosa who was already marinated and married to big business become president of Post-Mandela/ Mbeki South Africa? Where was everybody? Where was everybody at? Where was the ANC? Where was COSATU? Was it just a case of money talks , bullshit and juicy poetry walks?
The sorry situation we are in now is that for us Africans in particular, it's a big disgrace that Comrade Zuma should spend as much time in prison as Madiba Nelson Mandela and other comrades spent at Robben Island , whilst like wild electrons, the architects and perpetrators and mass murderers of the Apartheid era are still running free.
As the bard asked " If dogs run free, then why not we?"
Just as some of our good friends in the Middle East, so too we could salvage our collective sense of betrayal/ disappointment / mercy/ compassion/ dignity, so that the Apartheidists don't laugh , and sneer at us , saying, " these kafirs don't know how to take care of business – their own business"
Instead of going down in history that way - that the king of ( your you name it) was sent to prison by his own people because he colonised, stole, robbed , exploited, extracted unlawful taxes etc. but , thank God didn't kill any of his racist enemies; instead of that kind of lamentation by others, we could agree to arrive at the compromise that Biko Agozino has tabled : That whereas Cyril Ramaphosa is being pampered by all the powerful blood-sucking corporations and other big businesses, gold and diamond mines that are supporting him and that " cannot be jailed for contempt nor even for felony. The poor demand that the same standard should apply to all by the abolition of prisons and a shift to forgiveness of the unforgivable or the use of monetary fines in worst cases. Apartheid chiefs had contempt for the TRC and were forgiven still. Free Zuma and seize his ill-gotten wealth if proven."
You say it has been proven. So let him pay the fine/s
I suppose that Benjamin Netanyahu's case and the one looming over your good friend the Donald is of a minor dimension...
It's not a time for any kind of music not even Mzwakhe Mbuli
Mzwakhe Mbuli – Resistance Is Defence
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 15:12, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
some of you might remember the film be desai, Miners Shot Down? it was a powerful erxposition of how coal miners in south africa had gone on strike, as they had done in apartheid years. the film was made in 2014. the police came in to crush the miners. as in apartheid times. there was resistance, and a number of the miners were shot by the police. as in apartheid times. only this time the mine ownership had passed from the white south africans to those in positions of power and leadership. what a shock to learn that one of those leaders, who called in the police, was cyril ramaphosa. i since learned that he had become immensely wealthy since independence and his rise to power.
well, what can we say. i am glad he is standing up to zuma. no one is perfect. but but...still and all....as for cornelius's wonderful reflections, they are poetry in prose, and i am still appreciative.
as for the advice to free zuma and prove his corruption, it's been proven. read the accounts, or watch the films i recommended. the theme of today's take on zuma's predations is summed up in the words, "state capture." he destroyed as much of the institutions of south africa that would have brought him and the guptas to justice as was possible. only when he was no longer president was it possible for the judges to do their work. they made off with billions. the guptas fled to dubai, and i presume no one will recover what zuma made it possible for them to steal from the south african people, whose poverty must account for their now taking to the street.it isn't rotting in hell zuma deserves, it is rotting in prison, with his son and the indian thieves he allowed to destroy what mandela and mbeki and chris hani and ruth furst and a generation of brave revolutionaries died to build."free him" ??
ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
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To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Machela's Tribute to nonexistent Western ExceptionalismIn today's BBC Focus On Africa it was reported that the ANC is heavily divided ( 49 – 51), that half of the ANC doesn't like Cyril Ramaphosa. Ramaphosa himself hasn't been helping the situation any by accusing Jacob Zuma of " ethnic mobilisation", bound to exacerbate disunity, polarisation, some of the angry demonstrators further poisoning the atmosphere of mutual distrust with placards such as " We don't want to be governed by Apartheid spies"
On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 16:19, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
"would be much appreciated" or " is much appreciated"?
I'm asking forgiveness in advance ( I have already asked forgiveness for all of my future mistakes...
I don't know whether or not Ken's " is much appreciated." is in the same tense of the edict that read
"Anyone who says that Muhammad was black, is killed" - not " will be killed " but " is killed" that element of instantaneity we find in the Devil's Dictionary definition we find in the Devil's Dictionary definition of Abrupt - the fate that should await treasonable corruption?
Indeed, " You're Not A Country, Africa"
I wonder how lovable, dear, dynamic Pius Adesanmi would be weighing in on the Zuma debacle and all that has been transpiring in Nigeria since the tragic plane crash that took him and all the others away from us 10th of March 2019 .
Sometimes, through the perspective of hindsight the bitter reality that has always persisted like a principle or a law, such as the unchanging law of gravity - hurts – the constancy in the law of gravity that says there's no escape, what goes up must come down - the pilot sins misses the mark, breaks the law of gravity up there and is immediately held accountable when we all start saying our last prayers before we all come crashing down. ( Did Humpty-Dumpty have time to say a last prayer? Lewis Carroll wonders. )
If only Justice's beautiful face could beam with the same kind of constancy, as an operational principle of the Nigerian anti-corruption judiciary, as an eternal law of gravity that says, "Great or small everybody is equal before the law, and from Justice, there is no escape"
This bitter hindsight is still being daily realised by yours truly ( being as personal as always) going back to the Oyibo (an Irishman who boarded my flight from Port Harcourt, plumped himself down beside me and was to be my fellow passenger for the rest of the flight from Port Harcourt Airport to Gatwick, London. I didn't know him from Adam and yet he plumped himself down beside me, beads of perspiration falling off from his face and completely out of the blue, asked me, "Did you get your money? " I asked him, " Which money ?" He told me " Your money in the Bank" ( He meant my £6, 000 Sterling, no worries, being lodged on my behalf at Savannah Bank, No 10 Aba Road, Port Harcourt. Just a few days earlier before I was due to leave the country, the bank manager had sent one of his slaves to tell me that he would like to see me. When I got to his office he started addressing me in Nigerian English ( his first act of familiarity) "Oga, you seff O ! Plenty money O !" ( the son of a bitch) and then he came to the main point : " If you give me half, then you can take the rest with you immediately!" And thinking like a no bribes Svensson from Sweden, I was at first incensed by the idea of me giving him half of my hard-earned daily bread, so I found myself blurting out in disbelief, "HALF? - of MY MONEY?"
"AND IF I DON'T GIVE YOU HALF? " , I asked him, raising my voice ominously( as if I had a mini AK47 concealed in my buba and sokoto and was going to empty it on his head if he as much as insisted that I give him " half" - of MY MONEY - as in " Waiter give me half O "
But he was calm and answered, "Then you will have to wait." At which point I was much relieved. Better to wait than to quench or to burn. The patient dog eats that fat bone, I reminded myself. " How long will I have to wait?", I enquired of the bank's commander-in thief. " A few months", he smiled and I was much relieved.
The Irish Oyibo sitting next to me told me this about my money: " You sill never get it!"
I thought: RACIST!
That was back at the tail end of 1984. The Oyibo was right.
After a few months, I phoned Jan Eliasson who was then in charge of that kind of thing - eventually asked me, what amount of money are we talking about and when I told him, he laughed. Did I know how much was being owed to Swedish companies such as A. B. Cementa and others? Billions. I'll "have to wait… a few months." ? I'm still waiting. Savannah Bank crashed a long time ago. The bank manager? I pray that he's still burning and rotting in the hellfire. Indeed, I hate corruption. I take it personally. May they all burn in hell. You may think that I am or was naive. I'm not, It's just that to date I have never given or received a bribe - the closest I have ever come to doing that was once when in the back seat of Richard Nsiah's Peugeot 404, on the way to Port Harcourt the Police had stopped us and Richard had asked me if I had any naira and I had given him a few naira which he then handed over to the hungry policeman. Richard has still not refunded the naira that I passed over to him. I refuse to be some kind of accessory to the crime. By the way, a few days ago my great Pan-Africanist Bro from Ghana told me that Ghana is the sixth most corrupt country in the world. They still call it kalabule.
A few days before I left Nigeria, I had dinner with the then Chief Justice of Rivers State. He wanted me to take a suitcase of his with me, to deliver to a relative of his in Gothenburg. I simply didn't turn up to collect the suitcase. I wasn't taking any risks. The custom's at Arlanda Airport officer asking me " What's this?" and me telling him, " It's the Chief Justice of Rivers State that asked me to " etc. The Chief Justice of Rivers Where? They would be laughing as they handcuffed the 419 Nigger
Years later / 2002- as Ambassador to Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Seychelles, and Comoros, Mr. Bo Lennart Göransson campaigned against corruption in that part of the world, wrote frequently on that theme in the East African paper " The Nation"...
With regard to satire, I guess it's always a matter of reading "in the same spirit"so that we don't go mistaking something in "The Onion" as the real shit
In a satirical mode and writing about the very contemporaneous reality back then (in April 2016) Prince Mashele can be said to have been writing with almost prophetic foresight about the sequence of events that five years later have catapulted the ANC's leader and former President of South Africa into precisely the catastrophic situation he ridiculed as a hypothetical potential, when he wrote
" Asking a ruler to be accountable is a foreign – Western – idea. In a situation where there is conflict between a ruler and laws, Africans simply change the laws to protect the ruler. This is why no single white person has called for King Dalindyebo to be released from jail "
Dalindyebo swaps kingly robes for prison orange – Democracy beats Autocracy
So, for all the anti-corruption commissions in Gambia, Sierra Leone, Ghana, Nigeria, how many heads have rolled? How many presidents, former presidents, big men, have vomited the money?
All said and done, with the poverty-stricken people on a nationwide rampage of plunder, here too I'm in essential agreement with Biko Agozino not about forgiveness but his bottom line: Free Zuma and seize his ill-gotten wealth if proven.
On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 08:59, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
this rereading of the piece is much appreciated.
ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Machela's Tribute to nonexistent Western ExceptionalismWhenever in trouble dear Comrade Jacob Zuma would start singing "Umshini Wami" ( bring me my machine-gun) which would endear him to all who struggled against apartheid and make some of the miscreants start feeling humble or uncomfortable...
The article in question, "South Africa is just another African country – tell the 'clever blacks'" by Prince Mashele , was written five years ago, December 22nd 2016 circa twenty months after the second eruption of xenophobia in April 2015 in South Africa that mostly targeted Nigerians and Zimbabweans - so you notice that Nigeria also takes some flak in that article, just as Nigeria took some flak from Robert Mugabe when he asked rhetorically, "Are we now like Nigerians where you have to reach into your pockets to get anything done?"
Needless to say, the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs was not happy about a brother nation asking that kind of insulting question.
As is clear from the tone and tenor of Prince Mashele's other articles in Sowetan, he was writing in an entirely satirical mode. Contrary to that unwarranted perception that " The person who wrote this article in the Sowetan Times, Prince Machela, is obviously unaware…." I'd say that Prince Mashele is aware of everything. He is super aware.
As serious as always, "Prince Mashele on Nigeria, Zimbabwe, xenophobia in South Africa"
On Wednesday, 14 July 2021 at 17:48:30 UTC+2 Gloria Emeagwali wrote:
The person who wrote
this article in the Sowetan Times, Prince Machela, is obviously unaware of Trumpism, Nazism, genocides against Native Americans, rampant pedophilia in the Catholic Church, the murder of infants in Canadian residential schools in the 20th century, the brutalization of large communities
of minorities in the Americas- leading to the long, ongoing, unending struggle for human rights.
The writer is yet to come to grips with
the racism of Kant and his contemporaneous and contemporary sympathizers, White tribalism - and the very narrow definitions of who should really participate in democratic elections in the past and even the present, in the Americas. He should read about the new laws passed in Texas and elsewhere, about what we can teach and how- and the ongoing campaigns for voter suppression - not to mention retrogressive actions
related to the Voting Rights Act etc.
The struggle is not over- and has only just started in some cases.
Incidentally Western politicians, often pretend to be democrats at home and are the antithesis of democracy abroad -where they have engaged in extra- judicial killings and the overthrow of democratic governments for decades, and continue to prop up dictators like Kagame or Biya- but that is another story.
Zuma is Trump. Boko Haram is the American evangelical right wing in its infancy. Struggles against opioid or cocaine addiction, mass school shootings and kidnappings, daily suicides, Incarceration of the innocent, and corrupt politicians -take place on both sides of the Atlantic in various forms, degrees, contexts and intensity. The struggle for justice, democracy, labor rights, campus equity, female inclusion and human rights is not confined to one region.
But then again the writer is no stranger to irony, and succeeds in providing a rather incisive bit of entertaining commentary while inadvertently paying tribute to a non-existent Western Exceptionalism.
Gloria Emeagwali
On Jul 14, 2021, at 09:06, Toyin Falola <toyin...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
Not sure if you have been following events in SA regarding Zuma's incarceration by the Constitutional Court. Below is an interesting article on that topic:
Prince Machela of THE SOWETAN TIMES wrote regarding the post-apartheid South-Africa and asks the question: What can we do about it?
"In the midst of the political confusion that has gripped our country, many people are wondering if we have come to the end of South Africa.
The answer is simple: The thing called an "end" does not exist, not in relation to a country. SA will be there long after Jacob Zuma is gone.
What Zuma has done, is to make us come to the realisation that ours is just another African country, not some exceptional country on the southern tip of the African continent.
During the presidency of Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki, some among us used to believe that the black people of SA are better than those of other African countries.
We must all thank Zuma for revealing our true African character; that the idea of rule of law is not part of who we are, & that
constitutionalism is a concept far ahead of us as a people.
How else are we to explain the thousands of people who flock to stadiums to clap hands for a president who has violated their country's constitution? Such people have no idea of constitutionalism.
Now that we have reclaimed our place as another African country, we must reflect on & come to terms with our real character, and imagine what our future portends.
In a typical African country, ordinary people don't expect much of politicians, because people get tired of repeated empty promises.
In a typical African country, people have no illusions about the unity of morality and governance. People know that those who have power, have it for themselves & their friends and families.
The idea that the state is an instrument for people's development, is a Western concept, and has been copied by pockets of Asian countries.
Africans & their leaders don't like to copy from the West. They are happy to remain African, & do things "the African way".
The African way, is rule by kings, chiefs & indunas, in a setting of unwritten rules. Is there anyone who has seen a book of African customary laws?
The idea that a commoner can raise questions about public money spent on the residence of a king, is not African. The ANC MPs who have been defending Zuma, are true Africans.
Asking a ruler to be accountable is a foreign - Western - idea. In a situation where there is conflict between a ruler and laws, Africans simply change the laws to protect the ruler. This is why no single white person has called for King Dalindyebo to be released from jail.
The problem with clever blacks, is that they think they live in Europe,where ideas of democracy have been refined over cen
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