Sunday, October 24, 2021

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if taiwan were to be taken into china, it would no doubt become another hong kong situation, or tibet situation, i.e., unhappily dominated by an authoritarian govt.
maybe after 100 years or 50 years that wouldn't matter. but i'd prefer all the questions be settled by the people themselves in each instance. we privilege the nation-state reflexively as if it were a natural normal entity instead of the dominating order that imposes sameness on others
ken

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The island of Taiwan was part of China until Japan took it after the Sino-Japanese war in 1895. It was Japanese for 50 years during which time baseball and other aspects of Japanese culture were imposed. It reverted to China after World War II, filling up with refugees from the mainland in the wake of the Communist revolution a few years later. It has maintained an older form of the Chinese written script, and legally calls itself "The Republic of China", the name of the Chinese government that fought World War II. There is agitation for independence on Taiwan, and the situation is very complicated, but both governments recognize that Taiwan is a province in China, and both have the same border disputes with Japan, Russia, and India. Basically what you have there is a civil war and/or revolution that was frozen in place, and has been for over 70 years now. Personally I'd prefer it if they would solve the problem equitably through negotiation and compromise, but I don't know how likely that would be. I suppose about as likely as free elections on the mainland. 

On Oct 23, 2021, at 21:41, Assensoh, Akwasi B. <aassenso@indiana.edu> wrote:

A very useful query, Professor Abidde (Sabella)! Well, with nimble knowledge from my Legal Negotiations and International Law courses, I may add the following: probably Mainland China can still claim the new place out of intransigence (or arrogance?), especially if the island in the Caribbean or Africa is re-named "Nationalist China"! To be safe, the nomad Taiwanese can cleverly rename the new island either Republic of Formosa or Republic of Taiwan. How about that? 

A.B. Assensoh.


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This is implausible and thinking about it may not make sense. But let's try: Say the people and the government of Taiwan move to an island in the Caribbean or somewhere in Africa or Latin America, would China have the right to claim the new land as one of its provinces?
Sabella

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:35 PM Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:
Recall that Taiwan started off with
 the exiled leaders of the Kuomintang (KMT)
fleeing  to Taiwan after the victory of the PRC
on the mainland.

The Taiwanese government has not 
always sought statehood.  Many  Taiwanese 
preferred to  be  part of Mainland China.
I don't know what the figures are right now
and the upcoming December referendum does
 not include a question on independence.


It is true to say, though,  that the KMT has often
supported  unification with  the mainland while 
the  DPP tends to call for independence.
The matter is not straightforward.  

Trump and Biden decided to jump into the 
pro- independence camp and support the
DPP's current position.


So  I would say that the wahala dates to 1949 
at the birth of Communist China and the 
evolution of the cold War when the Cold War
belligerents used the Taiwan - Mainland
China  situation for their own political gains.
The wahala started when the UN refused 
to recognize mainland China,   and instead 
recognized Taiwan. This went on for about 
two decades and is now resurfacing 
somewhat.








Professor Gloria Emeagwali 
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research 
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association 

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There must be a resolution to the Taiwan issue -- just as there must be a resolution to the Palestinian and Western Sahara question. The status quo is not sustainable, and neither should we accept a situation where people are forced to remain or be part of a country they do not want to belong to. Since 1949 Taiwan has met all the requirements of Statehood…what's the problem, what's the wahala?
Sabella

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 5:30 PM 'Emeagwali, Gloria (History)' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Successive Presidents have conceded that Taiwan is a part of 
China.  President Clinton publicly stated that the US does not support the
notion of an independent Taiwan,  in discussions with President Zemin.

President Bush 02 did the same and opposed Taiwan's unilateral action.
His father, Bush 01, said in 1982: "We have one policy. There is one China."
When he became President,  he shifted at one point, but seemed 
to get back to the earlier position. 

Recall that Nixon's "ping pong" diplomacy effectively initiated
support for the mainland. The Taiwan question has been a thorn in the flesh 
for US Presidents but until Trump landed in the White House, the general 
tendency since Nixon, was to recognize Taiwan as a province or part of China.

Biden's attempt to follow Trump could lead to the disaster that we thought we
had avoided by kicking Trump out of the White House.  The transactional 
President probably struck some kind of deal.

That often quoted line about no permanent friends or enemies is often a
declaration of opportunism that feeds into the military industrial complex, 
more often than not.

I hope   as you do, that China does not get the opportunity to use its
 hypersonic missiles.





Professor Gloria Emeagwali
History Department, Central Connecticut State University
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Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries
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 University of Texas at Austin
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Gloria,
My sense is that every POTUS would have answered the question about hypersonic weapons and Taiwan just about the same way that Biden did. What else would he have said, "oh yeah, China can have Taiwan" or US will not develop hypersonic weapons and counters to such weapons.

 

Biden is POTUS and will first and foremost protect and defend strategic interests of US. China off course will do the same. That is what serious responsible countries do. No permanent enemies, no permanent friends, only permanent interests. The world should hope that none of this will lead to actual military conflict in that region either deliberately or by some miscalculation.

 

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From the look of things,  we would 
need the Bible, the Torah, the Quran, the Vedas, Ifa, the Sutras and more,  to cope with the fallout from Biden's new militaristic agenda. China will be
protected by Sun Tzu's, The Art of War, apparently.

 

Seriously, Biden is undergoing 
a speedy  transformation from dove to hawk. His poll numbers are dropping,
and he probably thinks that war mongering will  boost his numbers. It worked for Reagan and Bush 1&2. 
Will it work for Biden in the era of Covid19?

 

 

Prof. Gloria Emeagwali 

 

 



On Oct 22, 2021, at 10:43, Cornelius Hamelberg <CorneliusHamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:



 

On one hand, we have Stephen Hawking and God and on the other hand, we have Gerald L. Schroeder and The Science of God

 
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 23:35, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
toyin,
more and more scientists can talk about the big bang and the nature of matter and energy. the argument for god is that god is the cause for matter and energy to exist.
but that is pointless speculation. why not simply accept what we know about the forces of nature inherent in matter as we can observe them? their origins are not only unknown, but we might as well say were always there.
the rest of it, all the religions of the world, consist of nice stories that comfort people.
that's my view.
i practice the religious services of my religion because they give me pleasure and community, but i have no illusions that they provide any more than what i wrote above, and in fact they rehearse the same mythological stories as other religions.
if you or others feel a divine presence, i am not saying anyone should tell you that your experiences are wrong. but the argument about causality is nonsensical. to say everything has a cause is to say human logic somehow explains a cause which is not known, observed, present in our lives.
in my humble opinion
i'd say we all should have, in everyone's curriculum, hawking's Brief history of time to get the basic grasp of the nature of our world. it is fabulous. not as in fables, but as in human thought.
ken

 

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Kant seems to have held a similar view only to debunk it later-

 

''The existence of God is a dogma that it will be foolish to question, considering all the inexplicable creations that must have been put into existence by a powerful creative force.''

 

Is this view no better than speculation? 

its plausible but does that make it factual?

 

is it possible to find out for a fact that  this force exists, as different from one's expectation that it does?

 

do human beings possess the capacities for gaining such definitive knowledge?

 

some claim to have gained such knowledge, but are their exploratory methods readily validatable by everyone?

 

''enquiry about God is fundamental to human nature but is the definitive answer to the question not beyond the scope of experience of most people?", Kant's opening lines in Critique of Pure Reason may be ;paraphrased.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:46, Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:
Not all dogmas should be questioned, some dogmas that appear unreasonable can be questioned.

 

The existence of God is a dogma that it will be foolish to question, considering all the inexplicable creations that must have been put into existence by a powerful creative force.

 

-Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)


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