Monday, October 4, 2021

RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Thought For Today



Toyin Adepoju

By the time of the end of the war  the Biafran army had been reduced to a rag tag army by the Federal forces and that was why Ojukwu fled into exile. Or was he still commanding them from exile?

Toyin Adepoju you should know better than these vainglorious circumlocutory arguments about settled history.

At any rate where were the likes of CAO, Biko Agozino and Toyin Adepoju when the man in the thick of these events HE Obasanjo was invited by the Moderator to the forum?
Were they on the moon?  

Because anyone who wanted to ask him questions from anywhere around the globe was given the chance to. It went to an extent the Moderator was almost scandalised into the accusation of perpetually holding the man against his will. These fantasists conveniently vanished into their bolt holes only to resurface with their ludicrous claims months after everything has settled down.  They had the opportunity to clarify Adepoju's £20 allegation, Agozino's belaboured reparations claims and Opara's abandonment of surrender agreements.  They never came forward.

I call anyone who failed to ask HE Obasanjo questions about Biafra during the interview only to sneak back out from their concealement with their fanciful stories spineless cowards whose divisive posts on the subject should no longer be entertained by the Moderator.

OAA


Majority rule at the centre in Nigeria come 2023 or a sixtarchy presidential council.



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Date: 05/10/2021 02:21 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Thought For Today

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Na was, as is said in Nigerian Pidgin.

The Biafran army was rag tag but you could not defeat them within three years of fighting. 

The same army that even at it's lowest point was able to muster an air force that delivered punishing power to the feederal side.

An army that you had to starve both the army and the civilian population in an effort to defeat them  by blocking off  supply routes in the claim that it was the soldiers alone you were targeting, thereby birthing the classic image of the big bellied and yet skinny Biafran child as others lay dying at his feet, yet someone is making sounds about mercy in war between siblings.

The story of the Nigerian Civil War is not a fit platform for muscle flexing.

It's a story of both heroism and horror, of blindness and courage, of things we should not have done if we had known better.

Here we are now with an internal insurgencies.

Military bases have twice been breached, the second time with high fatalities, and we can't even name those responsible, except to call them anonymous " bandits" all in the regime of the person touted as Nigeria''s saviour in waiting.

Ethnic dynamics again.

The anti-Igbo war polemics always comes from Yoruba people like OAA, IBK or Kadiri or from the North, the group allied against Biafra in that war.

Yet, where does everyone stand today?

The entire country is under siege in the regiime of a man on whose behalf the SW, the North and others were beguiled into.thinkihg he had something revitalizing to offer.

In the midst of this hell, you chaps are enacting Nigerian Civil War dramas.

Well done.

Toyin




On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 23:08 OLAYINKA AGBETUYI <yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:



IBK:

I beg to differ.

There was indeed a 'negotiated surrender'

The emphasis is on surrender. The Federal Government felt there was no need to finish off the rag- tag rump of an army made up of former compatriots  Dealing with the aftermath of the quarrel between erstwhile brothers is not the same as dealing a coup de grace on an enemy from without.  That would be senseless genocidal slaughter ( I know neo- Biafranists insist on flogging a dead horse to no avail.)

It was not the negotiations that led to the surrender.  The negotiations came after the suffering on the other side became too much for those who had the superior forces who inflicted the suffering.  It came after the will to surrender was communicated to the Federal commanders( we know of the story of how the Biafran side wanted to push its luck and Col Obasanjo negotiating on the federal side was reported to have stated that if they did not want to accept defeat they should go back to the fighting front but the Effiong group backed down.  Effiong knew they stood no chance) The hall mark was to ensure it was not a humiliating surrender.  The Nigerian Federation kept its promise.

Its like a referee allowing a boxing match to go on when it is clear one of the boxers is no longer raising his hands to defend himself because he was incapable of so doing.  He would justifiably be accused of murder.

Our brothers and sisters in the East gave a good account of themselves having been misled into a war they stood no chance of winning.  Level headed easterners should ask neo- Biafranists to stop adding insult upon injury and let sleeping dogs lie.


OAA


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Date: 04/10/2021 19:46 (GMT+00:00)
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Chidi,

I know that what you wrote here was just to lift up your personal morale.  There was no negotiated surrender.  It was a rout.  Ojukwu has run away with his tail between his hind legs from the Uli airstrip.  The war fronts had collapsed and hunger was rife all over the shrinking enclave of Biafra.  It was a complete capitulation.

So as your initial paragraph below is a false premise, all that you built of it falls with it.

"Immediately after the Biafra-Nigeria civil war ended in 1970, following the negotiated surrender of Biafra, all agreements reached that necessitated the surrender were abandoned by the Federal Government of Nigeria."

Nothing was negotiated.  Nothing was agreed.  Therefore nothing was abandoned.  The bedraglled Efiong and his defeated co-travellers were frogmarched to Lagos for a photo opportunity with Jack Yakubu Gowon. 

Cheers.

IBK

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On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 01:28, Chidi Anthony Opara, FIIM <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:
Immediately after the Biafra-Nigeria civil war ended in 1970, following the negotiated surrender of Biafra, all agreements reached that necessitated the surrender were abandoned by the Federal Government of Nigeria.

The "no victor, no vanquished" declared became a mere slogan. Everything was done by the Federal Government of Nigeria to show to the world that there is a victor and a vanquished. The Biafra side was and still is the vanquished.

Political and economic policies were formulated and enunciated to make sure that the "stubborn Igbos", who form the majority and most active citizenry of the defunct Biafra, "do not become threats again in Nigeria".

By 1974, four years after the civil war, the Igbos have rebuilt their economic dominance through trading. Aba, Onitsha, Nnewi and others have regained their positions as prominent trading posts in West Africa (Nay, Africa).

On October 1st 1979, Nine years after the civil war, Dr. Alexander Ekwueme, an Igbo from Anambra state became the Vice-president of Nigeria.

The arrowhead of the civil war, late Chief Emeka Ojukwu returned home from exile in 1982 and joined national politics. In every forum where he spoke, he called for national reintegration of the Igbos and expressed belief in an equitable one Nigeria.

Late Chief Emeka Ojukwu was to be buried with full national honours as a retired military officer of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

The Igbos in spite of the marginalizations thrown at them since after the civil war have made tremendous progress as a result of their doggedness, resourcefulness and a disposition to live in peace, even with hostile compatriots.

The current violence in Igboland in the name of whatever, would erode the tremendous progress made by Igbos so far and send the region back to the 1970-1973 era.

Thank you all for your time.

Chidi Anthony Opara (CAO)


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