USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: France in Africa: Counter-Summit

Yes. They are all  passionately

in love with France.

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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From: Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu>
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gloria, do they speak with one voice?

ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

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From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
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But Prof Harrow, you are the one underestimating

the capacity of Africans to understand 

and analyze their situation. As said by the bard

sometime ago, "who feels it know it."

Are the hundred organizations involved 

in the counter - summit, as discussed in the

ROAPE article hallucinating?

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association

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From: Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu>
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i follow the situation that generates anti-french sentiment, and understand it directly. however, gloria, your questions function too much, in my thinking, to disempower the african states or people in this relationship.

for instance, there was a point where the rwandan govt of habyarimana turned away from the reliance on belgians for military support and accepted the french in their place.

these decisions were political on both sides and motivated by different interests and factions.

if we blame all the ills on the french, as a block, then all african agency disappears.

i've seen an enormous decline in french presence throughout africa, their replacement in goods and businesses and cultural presence.

if they are still there it is because the rulers who want their bases still want them, and because they think it serves some national interest. ditto for the chinese.

anyway, i come at this asking questions, not proffering answers. sometimes as i learn things, like the french arrangements in chad or c.a.r., i learn a bit more.

but i am  very interested in hearing the debate and learning how things work there.

ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

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From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 11:26 PM
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" found this very striking.

some of the rhetoric turns on the argument that france still functions as a colonial power in africa.

i wonder how the countries in question feel about that assessment."

MANY AGREE  WITH THIS 

"can't imagine a senegalese accepting that judgment, accepting that despite independence of 1960, they are still enslaved to their former colonial masters."

MANY SENEGALESE DO SEE IT THAT WAY.

"would make an interesting debate, if it could go beyond the level of rhetorical speechifying.

it is hard to take this question seriously without asking perhaps two: how much does the french military keep such and such a regime in power."

BY INTIMIDATION, DIRECT INTERVENTION ETC

THEY MAINTAIN BASES IN THE REGION

FOR THAT PURPOSE MAINLY.

"one answer in chad would differ from that of almost all the other francophone countries."

???? 

"or, how much of the economy depends on french trade. at a time when china has become the largest economic power in africa, how can we parse that question."

CHINA   IS THE LARGEST TRADING PARTNER

IN  AFRICA  BUT NOTE THAT ITS ACTIVITY 

IN ETHIOPIA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS MORE THAN IN  MALI

AND THE SAHEL.

•when the russia wagner group is replacing the french barkhan forces in the sahara, how do we parse it?"

THIS  IS YET TO OCCUR FULLY 

BUT IT IS AN INDICATION OF THE

DEGREE OF ANTI FRENCH  SENTIMENT.

" I believe french economic interests are still crucial in shaping relations in many counties. but i don't really know how much and where"

REALLY?

 ."..... but it overstates too much, assumes too much,

and especially uses the word "france" as if it were not a divided entity on all these questions. after all, macron hardly represents the french on the left or african-french people whose values are very far from the conventional french conservative ones."

THIS IS  NORMAL USAGE IN FOREIGN POLICY.

IN THE END, IT  IS THE  NATION STATE THAT IS

REPRESENTED IN THE UN - NOT MACRON  OR

LE PIN. 

......

Prof Gloria Emeagwali 

CCSU

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