Monday, January 10, 2022

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - pretty damning report

Ken,
Colonialism anywhere and everywhere in Africa was exploitation of human and natural resources of Africans. If this proposition is true, which l believe to be true, therefore the experience is the same. 
Beyond this fact Ken, colonialism is a moral evil. There is no reason to subtly justify colonialism. It does not command any moral warrant, in my opinion. 
Ogungbemi. 

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On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:11 AM, Ibukunolu A Babajide <ibk2005@gmail.com> wrote:


Ken,

You agree with Ogungbemi in principle  All colonialism is physical and mental conquest.  Leave it at that.  The degree of evil is not the issue at stake.  All carnivores kill and eat their prey.  Whether they swallow them, eat them raw, or boil, cook or roast the meat, the baseline is the killing.  That is the bottom line.  There are many ways to skin a cat.

Cheers.

IBK


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But leaves the greater villain loose

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When we take things that we do not own

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This must be so but they endure

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On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 07:36, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
ogungbemi,
well, i suppose en principe you are right. however, not all experiences of colonialism were the same. what was the same, i believe, is that colonialism was mislabeled. it was a conquest, that rationalized itself in the late 19th century as a missionary act of bringing civilization.
the work of african authors, i know, was to expose the lie.
but that is different from blatantly ordering the murder of opposition political figures. i don't think a good historian would say every experience of colonialism was the same. the brutality of the belgians in the congo was pretty bad; was it worse under the french in congo brazzaville? depends on when we are talking about. same in all case: the regimes changed, the practices of some were worse than others.

in any event, this was pretty ugly. the belgians changed tactics in 1959 in rwanda, turning in favor of hutus (the hutu revolution) against their former allies, tutsis. but after independence, or even on the threshold as they were turning over power, an assassination would have been particularly repugnant.
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu


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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - pretty damning report
 
Ken, is there any amongst them that is not "truly ugly colonialists"? Please read, "CIA Dirty Works in Africa". 
Ogungbemi. 

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On Jan 7, 2022, at 5:50 AM, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:


if true, the belgians are revealed as truly ugly colonialists:
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

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