Harry Sawyerr 's " God: Ancestor or Creator" often comes to mind when the eulogies and obituaries which surface in this forum usually state that the dearly departed has " gone to join the ancestors" - an African phrase which even when employed by Christian clergy , is open to more than one interpretation, perhaps more so when ancestor worship is a constant part of some people's religious and cultural background.
Food for thought, at least for the Muslim section of this discussion:
"And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not." (Surah al Baqarah ayat 154)
Please consider this free fall an aside, in no way meant to impact the evolution or direction of the on-going discussion.
"When beggars die there are no comets seen. The heavens themselves blaze for the death of princes." ( Shakespeare's Julius Caesar)
The body of the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam reposes in glory at the Rawdah Mubarak in Medina.
To this day, nobody knows the exact location of where Moshe Rabbeinu the greatest Jewish Prophet that ever lived , is buried , among other reasons suggested or proposed - thank God – so as to avoid the prospect of his deification or his burial site becoming a place of pilgrimage, idolatry, and worship
Freud of course expressed other ideas in his Moses and Monotheism
How dare anyone use the term " barbaric" when referring to e.g. Jewish Traditions for Death, Burial, and Mourning
The very last time I was in Sierra Leone (ten days in April 1970) it was this book and a short discussion with its author that got me going :
Harry Sawyerr : God: Ancestor or Creator.
It's a very revealing discussion, surprisingly , especially the extremism coming out of Ojogbon Falola – Ojogbon Falola probably enjoying himself when he said that " In declaring God as jealous, the foundation of barbarism was laid " Ojogbon Falola pointedly referring to the Almighty saying, "I am a jealous God " - and by extension, to Ojogbon Falola's mind, all the other dichotomies and divisions of Muslim and kuffar, good and bad, We and Them , notions of the sacred and profane spaces and places in the mind and the world outside of the mind, Ojogbon Falola the archdeacon, not the arch-demon of epistemology , Ojogbon Falola who I had previously thought was a very traditional Yoruba man. Only nice man Nimi Wariboko is missing in action so far and should he decide to appear, he'll probably wrap it all up, at least to the churchman's ethical satisfaction.
OK, so far, the discussion is not boring because you've got so much "deep" thinking in what you're saying about the limits of knowledge. Based on infinite cosmic ignorance, primitive man and some of the less than omniscient (also a presumptuous and meaningless term) such as the still mortal poets, brain surgeons, intellectuals, scholars, existential philosophers, metamathematicians, quantum physicists, space rocket scientists, atheists, agnostics, various holy men and holy women of God love or disdain to argue and debate some of the fundamental problems of existence...
We can all be futuristically modern , up-to-date with the latest that science can reveal , not that we have to wait or predict the next two thousand years, here and now we could ask and answer the question where is God, and if "He" is everywhere, then "He" is surely here. So, where is thereto go from here? Nowhere?
Concretely, the Holiest book of Islam, the Quran postulates about the Jews ( Al-Baqarah 94 -96):
94. Say (unto them): If the abode of the Hereafter in the providence of Allah is indeed for you alone and not for others of mankind (as ye pretend), then long for death (for ye must long for death) if ye are truthful.
95. But they will never long for it, because of that which their own hands have sent before them. Allah is aware of evil-doers.
96. And thou wilt find them greediest of mankind for life and (greedier) than the idolaters. (Each) one of them would like to be allowed to live a thousand years. And to live (a thousand years) would be no means remove him from the doom. Allah is Seer of what they do.
What happens after we die? Well, what happens whilst we are alive? What value and meaning does life have for us right now ? Independently, and personally speaking , this could depend on where we are born and where we are living in freedom or in chains , because from Afghanistan , through Israel to Zimbabwe the question about life and death cultures could be operating at several levels, the physical , the traditional, the value systems based on the ethical, the socio-economic, the political, the religious, the spiritual, the beliefs and understandings of religious / not pagan notions such as " life after death" , the Vikings had their own after-life expectations, the Muslims, the 72 virgins in paradise, etc.
"Preacher man don't tell me
Heaven is under the earth
I know you don't know
What life is really worth " ( Bob Marley : Get up, Stand UpWhat happens after we die – the question addressed to Professor Ochonu , is an open-ended question depending on so many extraneous factors such as who we think we are, the kinds of lives we live or would like to live whilst we are alive, and the eternal life some of us would like to live, after we die - and some of the more sceptical – like Shakespeare's Prince Hamlet of Denmark, are hesitant about committing suicide , that's why, "to be, or not to be, that is the question"
"For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause—there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life."
Rabbi Manis Friedman has answered the question, " What happens after we die? "
There must be hope for believing thieves yet, since whilst on the cross Jesus said to the thief that was being crucified beside him, " Today , you will be with me in paradise"
I recall siting in the Imam Ali masjid in Stockholm, listening to Sheikh Hassan ( the father of Professor Sheikh Sadiq of Najaf who I was " teaching" English, whilst he was teaching me Shia Islam ) Sheikh Hassan was saying that Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala is prepared to forgive any sin except the sin of shirk - at which point I whispered to Ahmed who was sitting on the floor, right next to me, " So perhaps, Allah will forgive Saddam ?" causing Ahmed to get up and transport himself to the furthest corner of the masjid, as far away from me as possible. I noticed that he started avoiding me for some time after the lecture, until I finally accosted him and he replied, " If someone like Saddam doesn't go to hell then how will hell be filled?" I had though that Ahmed was a Shia Muslim from Lebanon, but lo and behold he was from Iraq!
On Thursday, 20 January 2022 at 06:30:39 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:Many Thanks, Professor Moses Ochonu.That was dignified, sincere, very moving.On Thursday, 20 January 2022 at 01:12:04 UTC+1 MEOc...@gmail.com wrote:TEN FURTHER THOUGHTS ON THE AKU UKA'S TRANSITION1. Unknown to many people, especially judgmental and self-righteous Pentecostal Christians who condemned the beautiful Pankya transition rites from their conceited Christian perspective, the late Aku Uka, Dr. Shekarau Angyu Masa Ibi II was a devout Christian of the Reformed Church of Nigeria. Not only that, he was a trained theologian. A friend of mine recounted in our online forum how the departed Aku Uka used to have theological debates and discussion with my friend's father, a prominent Bible scholar and missionary.But the Aku Uka was also a man who was not ashamed of his culture or the traditional religion and rituals of his people. He skillfully navigated the obligations of both his Christian faith and those of his ancient Kwararafa/Jukun people and kingdom. He was an excellent model for how to be a Christian without succumbing to the colonial mentality of disavowing and rejecting your cultural heritage, history, and traditions. Many of us can learn from his example.By the way, the anti-culture Christian brigade have their work cut out for them because there is a growing cohort of traditional rulers who are devout and in some cases Pentecostal Christians. The newly elected Och'Idoma is a Deeper Life Pastor, as is the Tor Tiv. The young Olu of Warri is a vocal Christian. I understand that the Chief of Kagoro who recently passed away was also a pastor. There are many others.2. One of the sons of the transitioned Aku Uka is a pastor and proudly participated in the funerary rites. He was being a proud Jukun prince, which in no way diminishes his Christian bona fides.3. The horse riding escort (Atobe) belongs to a special family of royal courtiers and servants whose job it is to groom male members for the role of escort so that when the time comes one or more of them would eagerly volunteer to accompany the Aku Uka on his journey into the forest to be "delivered to his ancestors."4. Being the horse riding escort is a coveted position of masculine honor and prestige, something that members of the designated family crave because whether the person makes it back or not, the family and the person are forever credited with doing the bidding of the ancestors and thus bringing blessings and fortunes to the community.5. That brings me back to the horse rider. It is considered a mark of great individual martial accomplishment and distinction to accompany the Aku Uka on the three day journey and make it back alive because it indicates that 1) the person is a great warrior who might have encountered wild animals and evil spirits and vanquished them; 2) he is a man with a clean conscience and pure love for his community, otherwise the gods would have killed him in order to save the community from the repercussion of his evil deeds or intentions; 3) the gods are happy with him and the community because if/when he returns from the forest, he brings blessings, powers, and positive messages from the gods.6. Yes, there is a foreboding possibility of the horse rider not returning, hence the prepayment of a ritualistic token compensation to his family. He goes to the mission fully cognizant of this possibility but yet proudly embraces it as a free-willing adult. How, by the way, is this different from the honorable and heroic kamikaze Japanese pilots of World War II, or from the practice of young men and women signing up voluntarily for war in defense of their country's or king's honor knowing fully well that the odds of returning alive is against them?7. As with every tradition, the mystery is an essential element of it, so trying to rationally explain or understand every aspect of it using the empirical logic of verifiability is misguided. The story in this case is that the gods and ancestral spirits take the life of the horse rider as a sacrifice if they wish. Often, in these types of traditions, such stories serve to further mystify and to thus entrench the tradition once the practice has become accepted. Without such mystifying stories, future generations might do away with the tradition or invent a new one, so there is a perfectly rational political and social explanation for the story. It is a powerful technique to preserve the practice beyond the time of the people who invented it.As Zainab Ali explained yesterday, the real explanation may not even be mysterious at all and may have to do with the simple fact that in the old days a man who rode a horse deep into the forest by himself unarmed was unlikely to return because of wild animals, thirst, hunger, physical injury, and climatic vagaries. The community knew this but that explanation would render the enterprise mundane and rob it of its spiritual power. Therefore, in many such instances, even in the Western and Eastern monarchical and sociopolitical traditions, the people construct elaborate myths about gods, spirits, and forces in the forest or in the sky or in the water that kill and spare as they wish.Often such stories kill the proverbial two birds with one stone because, sticking with this example, apart from sacrelizing the possible disappearance of the horse rider, further adding to the mysterious allure of the event, the story mystifies the monarchy, helping to consolidate it, forging obedience to it, and discouraging rebellion by putting sacred fear in the hearts of subjects. I have a similar story from Benin Kingdom down south that I will share soon.8. Some people say riding a horse with a corpse is barbaric. This is a decontextualized and judgmental perspective. Did the people who invented the tradition consider it barbaric? There are many funerary traditions in the world and in different religions. Some people cremate their dead proudly in blazing pyres. Others may find it unacceptable and barbaric even though research has shown that it is the healthiest way of disposing of the dead. There is an ethnic group in the Indonesian archipelago that keeps the bodies of their dead with them in the community, dressing them up on occasion for many years. Another group puts the bodies in nearby caves unburied so that family members can visit and see their dead loved ones. Again, some people may consider this barbaric but it's perfectly normal and respectable to the people who practice it. To each their own.9. I for one have learned a lot about this beautiful, ancient, proudly preserved religion/culture of the Jukun, of which the royal funerary right of Pankya is only one aspect. I am now thirsty for more, the curious historian that I am.10. Most of us criticize what we don't understand instead of trying to know more about it with an open mind. With that in mind, let me recommend a live Facebook lecture and discussion on Pankya, the Jukun transitional rite of Aku Uka, which is taking place this Saturday (see details in my comment below). I plan to attend to learn more. Join the discussion if you can and come with an open mind and with your serious (not derisive and disrespectful) questions. I am sure the expert presenters and authorities will answer your questions and clarify your confusion regarding this wonderful culture/religion.On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 5:51 PM Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:Profound, profound.
You bring a tear to smile and I can't hide it.
As far as the title of this thread is concerned, I imagine that there are those who have not taken these words of gentle Jesus to heart ,
" But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which spitefully use you, and persecute you.."
I suppose that when such people are at the brink of The Hereafter "When You Die, Someone Should Die With You" , would be putting it lightly, preferably, more honestly it should be
" When you die, May all your enemies accompany you"
That the prohibition against child sacrifice is made so clear suggests that it was a practice that was prevalent in the neighbourhood, some of the surrounding cultures and possibly still continues in some of the darkest places in the wilderness.
Unbelieving Thomas wants to see real proof and not speculation before he's convinced.
Mr. Ginsberg was unsparing with his condemnations with much howling about Moloch
in Howl part 2:
II
What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination?
Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Children screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks!
Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Moloch! Moloch the heavy judger of men!
Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jailhouse and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judgment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned governments!
Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb!
Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrapers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smoke-stacks and antennae crown the cities!
Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind!
Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch!
Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ecstasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light streaming out of the sky!
Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! blind capitals! demonic industries! spectral nations! invincible madhouses! granite cocks! monstrous bombs!
They broke their backs lifting Moloch to Heaven! Pavements, trees, radios, tons! lifting the city to Heaven which exists and is everywhere about us!
Visions! omens! hallucinations! miracles! ecstasies! gone down the American river!
Dreams! adorations! illuminations! religions! the whole boatload of sensitive bullshit!
Breakthroughs! over the river! flips and crucifixions! gone down the flood! Highs! Epiphanies! Despairs! Ten years' animal screams and suicides! Minds! New loves! Mad generation! down on the rocks of Time!
Real holy laughter in the river! They saw it all! the wild eyes! the holy yells! They bade farewell! They jumped off the roof! to solitude! waving! carrying flowers! Down to the river! into the street!
--On Wednesday, 19 January 2022 at 23:32:57 UTC+1 Kenneth Harrow wrote:cornelius, why do you call azazel the scapegoat? i thought the goat was sent to him in the wilderness.
on another note, i am skeptical of accounts of child sacrifice, most anywhere. i'd want to see real proof and not speculation before i'd be convinced.
ken
kenneth harrow
professor emeritus
dept of english
michigan state university
From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: "When You Die, Someone Should Die With You": Perspectives on Accompanied Death by Moses Ochonu and Friends on Facebook in Relation to the January 2022 Burial of the Aku Uka of WukariVery interesting. For the super-sleuth, the plot thickens; in a non-religious context it would be a or the case of the missing king.
" Because he does not die, there are no undertaker's, coffin or grave, that will make him mortal. He rides majestically on his royal horse to meet his forebears. The young man with him serves as his sheath bearer. But also serve as the proverbial scapegoat, on behalf of the community." ( Pankya and its May Mysteries )
Nor does he, like Jesus, in full view of his disciples ascend bodily to our Father heaven, disappearing beyond the clouds, Gate Gate Para Gate Para Sam Gate Bodhi Swaha.
What does the conclusion of the Heart Sutra have to do with the bodily ascension of Jesus to Haven? It's the kind of question that the uninitiated may well ask, and the kind of question that e.e. answers with the first line of his love poem that begins at this beginning:
somewhere i have never travelled, gladly beyond
" The proverbial scapegoat " is reminiscent of poor old Azazel
no crucifixion
no resurrection
no ascension
the goat merely disappears
into the wilderness
carrying his burden:
all our sins
Azazel the scapegoat
far removed from the lofty dream:
O lamb of God who take away the sins of this world !
I cry
tears hide.
At this stage, you have the right to be intensely worried and even the right to remain silent about the trial of Nnamdi Kanu which started yesterday and narry a word about this very significant event, in this USA- Africa series.
Or is it the silence before the tsunami?
Hopefully, Brother Nnamdi is not another Azazel or the case of another failed Messiah who says "Seek ye first the political kingdom, and all will be added"
"But He, Himself was broken
Long before the sky would open
Forsaken, almost human
He sank beneath your wisdom like a stone"
Cf Your Master
On Wednesday, 19 January 2022 at 05:53:26 UTC+1 chidi...@gmail.com wrote:
"That it is traditional does not make it right"-Barack Obama.
-CAO.
On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
First things first ( Africa First!)
Question 1, and in the name of Shalom, I don't want to quarrel with anyone, but just as Adepopju enquired of Professor Gloria in Excelsis Emeagwali : "could i know what motivated your interest in this at this time? " , the this being her posting "Atrocities/war crimes condoned in the Bible", so too I ask Adepoju the same question, in light of his recent altercation with Professor Moses Ochonu: Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, please, could we know what motivated your interest in posting the transcript of a discussion involving Professor Ochonu, at this time?
And no mention of the ancient Egyptian burial rites ensuring immortality after death? For example there are certain funeral rites for Mende Chiefs in Sierra Leone, that are sensitive and no business of those not directly concerned...
After reading through the transcript of the discussion, I should only like to make the following observations
1. We are to surmise the Almighty is totally against human sacrifice , as evidenced by the Akedah , a ram being substituted for Isaac, at the very last moment.
The idea that God's absolute justice required that His only begotten Son should be sacrificed on the cross in order to save sinful humanity, is still being debated by both Jew and gentile, in websites such as Jews for Judaism and Tovia Singer and mythvision
There's also a necessary distinction to be made between suicide on the one hand – which is forbidden - and martyrdom , such as Kiddush Hashem . But how to characterise what happened at Masada?
It's a very moving picture of the chivalric horse rider who accompanies his liege into the dark forest at the end of the latter's life pilgrimage – hopefully, Tunde Kelani will make a blockbuster movie out of it. In my not so informed imagination, I imagine a parallel with the last scene of King Arthur's farewell as captured by the last verse of Alfred Lord Tennyson's Morte D'Arthur...
I imagine the mysterious & anonymous masked rider accompanying the dearly departed King into the dark forest , and who knows, unrecognised and unrecognizable reappearing to continue life as before, in the kingdom or elsewhere
On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 17:55:40 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
Correction : Should read ; " Now, isn't it a paradox that the Hindus infiltrated Cremation into the Church of England in Great Britain, as far back as 1918?
On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 17:48:20 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
This theme is just too exciting . No holds barred, I'm looking forward to how the discussion will evolve.
"I believe many people criticize what they don't understand" , opines Brother Professor ( Full Professor) Moses Ochonu. Exactly what I was thinking last night without any reference backing from Kant or any of the greater sceptics - another instance of argumentum ad verecundiam – as in " I am the way, the truth and the light – no man cometh unto the Father except by through me!" (Jesus ) or , " God must be a boogie man " because wizard Charlie Mingus the super good jazz bassman said so, and as for me, I'm in full agreement with Stevie Wonder here singing, " When you believe in things you don't understand , then you suffer : Superstition ain't the way"
Therefore, the saying is "Two Jews, three opinions" attesting to the glory of the Talmud and the Talmudic sages, I daresay ten opinionated, specially educated Nigerians speaking international English and not the exactitudes of Kantian German as the chosen vehicle for their arguments, as in this transcript, and we get a large number, verily, a multitude of attitudes - and thank God that the Hindu practice of Sati has fallen into desuetude , not due to the outright forbidding/ regulated out of existence by what Adepoju would like us to believe are civilising British Colonialists, but due to post-enlightenment and what 21st century futurists looking back deem to be modernity even then, though for very different reasons the Sotah ritual as prescribed in ancient Judaism – for a wife accused of infidelity, has also fallen into desuetude, since – so the rabbis say, the nation had gradually seeped into stages of unholiness thereby rendering the Sotah ritual ineffective.
With trepidation a modernist/ postmodernist and the village schoolteacher Lakunle, himself not that civilised - if we are to go by Kenneth Harrow's harrowing questions raised here, please, only use the word "barbaric" to describe the Sotah in the Torah, at the risk of sounding disdainful and anti-Semitic.
Now, isn't it a paradox that the Hindus infiltrated Creation into the Church of England in Great Britain, as far back as 1918?
Lissen up : " I warned the people of Jamaica and they did not listen".. Buju Banton speaking once more in Deep English ( bad words edited out as much as possible.
On Tuesday, 18 January 2022 at 11:29:13 UTC+1 toyin....@gmail.com wrote:
"When You Die, Someone Should Die With You"
Perspectives on Accompanied Death by Moses Ochonu and Friends on Facebook in
Relation to the January 2022 Burial of the Aku Uka of Wukari
Compiled by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju with an Introduction,
Background Images and Accompanying Facebook Comments by Various Readers
Accompanied death, the process of a person dying along with a person
already dead, recurs in various civilizations. It emerges in the now
defunct Indian tradition of Sati
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)>, discontinued by the
colonising British, in which a wife burnt herself alive in the process of
her husband's cremation. It has also been visible in a number of various
African civilisations. Wole Soyinka builds his play *Death and the King's
Horseman* around that custom as it was demonstrated in 1946 in the Yoruba
city of Oyo. The sections of the play centred on the attempted ritual
suicide of the king's horseman who is to follow his lord to the beyond are
among his greatest work. It has been described in African cultures, as also
actualised in the forceful seizure of people to be killed in accompaniment
of a dead ruler, though whether it still continues in some or all of those
cultures, I have not been able to ascertain.
In the case of the Aki Uka of Wukari, in Nigeria, his corpse is seated on a
horse, leaning on the horse rider, who rides with the body into a forest
believed, by one perspective, to a forest wherein is the abode of spirits
where the deceased ruler will achieve his final transition. The spirits,
this view states, may or may not decide to take the horse rider along with
the deceased ruler, whose body is also believed to experience a fate
unknown to any but the spirits and the departed ruler's final companion.
Picture of an earlier example of the final ride of the body of the deceased
Aki Uka of Wukari, with his living companion
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In the post and discussion below, Moses Ochonu and his Facebook friends
discuss the subject in relation to the recent burial, in January 2022, of
the Aku Uka of Wukari.
Moses Ochonu presents this view on what happens in the climatic final
scenes of the ride to the beyond:
''there was no "intentional killing of another human being." The king's
escort goes ALONE into the bush with the king on a horse and, depending on
what the gods decide, would commit ritual sacrificial suicide. In many
cases, the gods spare the escorts. In the current case, the young man was
not only spared but has since returned home to his family.''
Zainab Ali, responding to Ochonu's post on the subject, presents another
perspective on the fate of the ruler's companion:
''historically the forest where the final burial is conducted is dangerous,
wild animals evil spirits, and whatnot. So considering the escort is just
one man, the possibility of something happening to him over there is known
and accepted by him ab initio.
It is that danger that raise the conversation around the uncertainty of his
return, it is never about him being sacrificed.'
Ochonu, a historial, tries to contextualise Ali's contribution:
''Zainab Ali
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thank
you again!!This is very enlightening. You are educating many misinformed
people. I believe many people criticize what they don't understand, and
that there had to be a rational, perfectly logical reason for for the
escort perhaps not returning. Often, with this type of things, the
ritual/sacrificial/suicidal explanation is constructed strategically after
the tradition has already taken root, as a way of consolidating monarchical
power by further mystifying its occupant and putting sacred fear in the
hearts of subjects. I have a similar story from Benin Kingdom.''
A principal disagreement between Ochonu and some of his intercutors is
represented by the following exchange:
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While we all appreciate the excesses of the Pentecostals in painting
anything non-western as barbaric, I must admit that human sacrifice,
whether voluntarily or otherwise is very barbaric.
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It was not barbaric to the people who invented it and at the time that
it was instituted. You can call for its review in view of current moral
standards without calling it barbaric. The folks who came up with it would
have disapproved of many rituals and practices we consider mainstream and
modern, but I doubt they would have been so judgmental as to call those
practices barbaric. It's this type of decontextualized condemnation and
judgmental critique that is problematic.
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I completely disagree. Any cultural practice that leads to the intentional
killing of another human being under any guise is barbaric.
In my culture, they used to bury titled men with some of their slaves.
Also twins were seen as abomination and were killed. Both practices were
barbaric too and had long been stopped.
There are some evidence that Western Europe practised human sacrifice.
That's also barbaric.
All other aspects of Jukun cultural practices may be excellent but that
of human sacrifice is a no no no.
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but
there was no "intentional killing of another human being." The king's
escort goes ALONE into the bush with the king on a horse and, depending on
what the gods decide, would commit ritual sacrificial suicide. In many
cases, the gods spare the escorts. In the current case, the young man was
not only spared but has since returned home to his family.
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- From what I've read, the man alone will ride on the horse with the
corpse of the King to the final resting place deep in the wilderness, where
he is expected to "deliver the king" to the gods and then commit ritual,
sacrificial suicide.
In reality, many of the "sacrificial" companions return home, spared by
the gods. Only a few do not. The idea is that if the gods wish, they could
take the life of the king's living companion during or at the end of the
three day journey deep in the bush."
I first provide the context of their discussion through images and
accompanying commentary from sources familiar with the culture of the
Wukari, from Apajukun <https://www.facebook.com/apajukunreporters>, a
Facebook page dedicated to this culture.
*Context of Discusion : The Burial of the Aku Uka of Warri in Pictures and
Commentary*
* Picture of What May be the Throne of the
Aku Uka *
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* Announcement of Live Streaming of Funeral Rites*
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PUBLIC NOTICE!!
This is to inform the general public that arrangement has been made for
live streaming of the final rite (Pankya) of His Majesty, Dr Shekarau Angyu
Masa-Ibi CON, The AKU UKA.
Those who may not be opportuned to attend can do so virtually on inferno TV
(Facebook and Youtube).
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*A Poetic Celebration of the Aku Uka's Ride to the Beyond with His
Companion*
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THE TRANSMOGRIFICATION & THE TRANSITION OF AKU UKA
He does not belong here alone, he belongs to the gods!
He descended from far beyond.
He was born mortal yet immortal.
His persona is twined betwixt two worlds.
He is an enigma beyond comprehension.
He is a satellite of the gods over the people.
He is a vicar of the gods.
He is the blend of the real & the surreal.
He knows no hate and hates not one.
On his hands is the power to make or stop the rain.
He possesses the power to silence the thunder and forbid the lightning
from striking.
Now, the appointed time beckons & his spirit must transit to NANDO, the
great beyond where he will commune with the gods in the land of the living
dead.
On his left hand, he holds the esoteric grains which he must release for
the survival of the people.
On his right hand, he holds all the natural elements which he must let go
of for his people as he journeys ahead.
But behold, a young hero on a stallion riding along gallantly with pride,
dignity & majesty to the great beyond with the ANDU.
The ground quakes & the multitudes of people shake & tremble at the sight
of the young hero who must not look back until he delivers the new citizen
to the land of the gods.
Prince Beavens Ajiduku (PhD)
A prince from the great Kwararafa Kingdom
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*An Expository Explanation of the Aku Uka's Ride to the Beyond with His
Companion*
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PANKYA AND IT'S MANY MYSTERIES.
The events of yesterday have left people wondering 'what actually took
place?'. For an outsider, even some insiders, there are questions to be
answered.
Firstly, PANKYA is the Jukun transition ceremony for the Aku to the great
beyond. The Aku does not die. He is a 'son' of the gods, the guardian and
protector of his people. His place is between the mortal and the immortal.
The Aku is not venerated or honoured, no, he is WORSHIPPED by his subjects.
He is a priest-king to whom libation is offered every morning. He is not
associated with affairs of mortals like funeral and wedding. He is beyond
emotions and weakness. Thus, he DOES NOT DIE. There will is no 'funeral
rite' for him but the of journeying to NANDO and finally KINDO.
The PANKYA is a mystery. A mystery is what cannot be understood using human
logic. Only those inserted into its cult (cult as in its true meaning and
implications) and 'educated' in its practice can make sense of it.
So, the PANKYA is not just a ceremony or rite, it is a religious rite
performed by cultic priests and worshippers. All others are just onlookers.
Because he does not die, there are no undertaker's, coffin or grave, that
will make him mortal. He rides majestically on his royal horse to meet his
forebears. The young man with him serves as his sheath bearer. But also
serve as the proverbial scapegoat, on behalf of the community.
ABAGA'IDU NASHA'IN has gone to KINDO, his mission accomplished here.
Another will take his place. May his reign last long in peace.
So, in summary, the Jukun culture is deeply religious, steep in mysteries.
Any religion without mysteries is a fable. Thus, the PANKYA MUST BE
UNDERSTOOD within the context of religion, for so is the Jukun world view..
CHIDON KU YII WATASHUMA.
Dankaro Solomon *Further Responses*
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According to Jukun tradition, the transition of the Aku must be followed by
the ritual suicide of the Aku's horseman as well as his wears, because the
horseman's spirit (which is the ATOBE) is essential to helping the Aku's
spirit ascend to the afterlife.
A specific family in the Jukun land has been task with the duty of the
horseman to the Aku when embarking on journey to join his ancestors --
members of that family are trained from childhood to perform such duty
relentlessly when need arises.
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Pls I need understanding of this Jukum people's traditions of burial,
taking the late king to Nando where I understand is like the spirit world
for him to transit to meet this other ancestors. Does it mean that the
horse rider might return or not depending on how lucky the rider is ? And
second question does the late king has a burial site that people can see
since the whole thing now is about taking him to the spirit world? Pls I
need clarity on this to understand better. Thanks
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It's a mystery of this culture, until ur been initiated,u can't
understand the deep things.
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emphasis sake, no any official statement regarding the fate(return or not)
of the sheath bearer (horse rider), but from records available to us like
you said he has 50:50 percent chance of survival, either way, return or
not. As for burial site, because all Akus are not buried but transited to
join the ancestors, there's no talk about any burial site. The sheath
bearer takes Aku to Nando and that's all, and whatever happens there is
strictly cultural mystery.
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a truth I'm Jukun some things are deep and beyond comprehension....the king
isn't buried z where the horse rather went with him is also something we do
not understand however, we are aware its from puje to bevyi, kuntsa and
Nando.....only those who belongs to that cult understand what is happening
....so we don't have answer to your question sir ...thanks
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exactly
that's what I also want to know
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I don't understand, do u go somewhere and keep him or how.
And who chooses the person that will go drop him.
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Thanks Samuel for the good clarifications.
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so
why are they happy the horse rider is back ?
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