I endorse the analysis by sistah Glo.
Racism is alive and kicking. Those who rightly or wrongly question race as a biological given must not shy away from the struggle against racism-sexism-imperialism because the threat posed is against all as articulated and far from separate systems of oppression. More than 70 per cent of prisoners in Australia are poor whites while Aboriginal people make up 23 percent as the most overrepresented people in prison worldwide. The cops kill twice more white people than black people. If poor whites knew this, they would join BLM in greater numbers. Stuart Hall called for the strategy of coalitions and alliances.
We are right to celebrate our achievers as every football fan knows, we win when our team wins. However, the question for those celebrating a walking library of architecture is what the librarian did to prevent buildings from collapsing frequently?
Biko
On Sep 12, 2022 9:11 AM, "'Emeagwali, Gloria (History)' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
--My take on this is that Sartre and hispeers are speaking in terms ofIndividualistic, Western Societywhere individuals are seen inatomistic terms.The referenceto Ubuntu, and interconnectedcommunitarianism continues tobe valid in many parts of theworld, indeed.May I add also that thediscussion about whether
race is a construct or not has beentreated opportunistically andwith contradictions in thelast few decades. Thesecontradictions may showup within a single passagein some cases.The world ofmedicine and pharmacologyboasts about the ability tocater for specific racial groupsin diagnosis, clinical treatmentdrug therapy and so on, whilstother factions in the scientificestablishment challenge theconcept of race outright. Tocomplicate matters there is talk ofhaplogroups and so on, oftenused to connote genetic groupingsand in some quarters as a surrogateto "race."What we are sure aboutthough is that race is indeeda "sociological or psychologicalor political reality, an historicalreality, in people's lives"-to quoteharrow. Biko can give ussome penitentiary data vis a visthe US or Australia and theimplicit biases and perceptionsat play.
Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association
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Professor Harrow very interesting thinking.i need to reflect on it.iam highly honoured. What does it mean to be African? Or an African word view.? A person is a person through other persons.thats why I celebrate someone else and it makes me feel good.--
But Satre and Heidegger are not African or a philosophers from Africa. What I have stated is confirmed by quantum physics that things exist only in relation to other things.thsts called mbutu meaning I am because you are. Its should be instructive that I have taken this up with Professor Carlo rovelli in his write up on quantum physics in the new scientist of march 13 2021.quantum physics perhaps cannot be wrong and so mbutu! I told professor rovelli that we have already know n his ideas long before in Africa.
On Monday, September 12, 2022, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
--dear augustinethis is really a hard question for me. on a personal level, perhaps...we can say, well, i am proud as an igbo or a black man or a nigerian that such and such did this great thing.but really, does that man's achievement rub off onto you.i am this little fellow, and instead of accepting myself for who i am, i see myself magnified in the other person's achievement.sartre and heidegger were skeptical of the easy identification with the crowd. the key example is death. how the crowd takes death, talks about it, its pain, the loss etc. but you alone, your death, has no real meaning, confronts nothing of our ending, when placed in terms of the crowd. we can be authentic only with relation to our own meeting of death in ourselves, and that's the only authenticity.
it's hard for me because i want to crow when, say, for example, i can claim (truthfully) that julie merehtu grew up down the block from us, that our kids or kids' friends knew her and her sister, and now she is a world famous artist.that's cool for a minute, till i realize it has nothing to do with me, and i falsely bask in her glow.yet, which of us wouldn't feel proud of our children, as our dear toyin falola has done in talking about his daughters' accomplishments, and that talk makes us too feel good.
the existentialists aren't enough for me. i want us to share beyond our own personal borders, be happy and feel good for others, even at a distance. can we do that without excluding others, though? that's what makes it hard.i come at this asking questions, not knowing answers.ken
kenneth harrow
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dept of english
michigan state university
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fantastic Olutoyin Ayinde:a walking library, a credit to the black RaceProfessor Harrow please I love to be educared can you clarify this:should we be proud of our community members' achievements? sartre calls that bad faith, and i imagine heidegger would too,
On Sunday, September 11, 2022, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
----these are interesting observations by dr.o.if race is a construct, let's say, on physiological grounds,or genetic grounds, that deny the arguments of pseudoscientific racism of the 19th century, it is a sociological or psychological or political reality, an historical reality, in people's lives. the best argument in that direction comes from stuart hall, famous for helping creat black british cultural studies as a field.the distinction is important. we all share "identities" not because of genes, but because of communities in which we participate, and whose identity we share in creating.
should we be proud of our community members' achievements? sartre calls that bad faith, and i imagine heidegger would too, since they are not our own achievements. we appropriate the accomplishments of others that way, as if we ourselves had done the work and were similarly gifted.thus all the ugly things said about black people, or jews, are the flip sides of compliments; e.g. they naturally have rhythem, or they naturally are great musicians. flip that and you get slurs. the same for many other compliments/slurs, like intelligence flips into money grubbing.
in that regard dr.o. has it right in using the term "naturally" which implies this imputation of value to race is a form of naturalizing, which is how racism or other forms of bigotry always work.ken
kenneth harrow
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dept of english
michigan state university
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fantastic Olutoyin Ayinde:a walking library, a credit to the black RaceIs being regarded as "a credit to the Black race" not a backhanded "white supremacist" compliment that upholds and promotes "race" as a ("natural") truth instead of "race" as an invidious and insidious fallacy (and thus a most dangerous phenomenon)?--
Race is a fallacy, but ironically, invidiously, and insidiously, racism is an overwhelming reality.
On Sunday, September 11, 2022, 8:11 AM, 'Augustine Togonu-Bickersteth' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Olutoyin ayinde is a consumate professional town planner and former commissioner for urban and physical planning lsgos state. He is a credit to the Black Race.I have not read , the Black man's dilemma by the veteran journalist Areoye oyebola but I would like to read it
I have just read an interview in the punch today september 112022 on why buildings collapse in nigeria particularly in lagos.Lagos has be in the news relatedly the surveyor General has been protesting at the lagos government flouting rules with respect to the practice of land surveying.Olutoyin ayinde understands his subject I daresay he can hold his own any where in the world! A wise publisher. Book publisher should go after him and other people like him to harvest his knowledge and wealth of experience .interview in the newspaper is good but its not enough.we need books to thoroughly thrash the issue of town planning in lagos and nigeria in particular .book for the family library, academic library, children's library school library, public library,administrative library etc can the Librarians and publishers please step forward to salute olutoyin ayinde an illustrious son of Africa.It's said when an elder dies in Africa whole libraries are lost.please let us save this library that is olutoyin ayinde.let us drink from this library that is olutoyin ayinde.--
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