Tuesday, September 13, 2022

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fantastic Olutoyin Ayinde:a walking library, a credit to the black Race

I endorse the analysis by sistah Glo.

 Racism is alive and kicking. Those who rightly or wrongly question race as a biological given must not shy away from the struggle against racism-sexism-imperialism because the threat posed is against all as articulated and far from separate systems of oppression. More than  70 per cent of prisoners in Australia are poor whites while Aboriginal people make up 23 percent as the most overrepresented people in prison worldwide. The cops kill twice more white people than black people. If poor whites knew this, they would join BLM in greater numbers.  Stuart Hall called for the strategy of coalitions and alliances.

We are right to celebrate our achievers as every football fan knows, we win when our team wins. However, the question for those celebrating a walking library of architecture is what the librarian did to prevent buildings from collapsing frequently?

Biko

On Sep 12, 2022 9:11 AM, "'Emeagwali, Gloria (History)' via USA Africa Dialogue Series" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
My take on this is that Sartre and his 
peers are speaking in terms of 
Individualistic, Western Society 
where individuals are seen in
atomistic terms.The reference 
to Ubuntu,  and interconnected 
communitarianism continues to
be valid  in  many parts of the
 world, indeed.
 May I add also that the
discussion about whether
race is a construct or not has been
treated opportunistically and
with contradictions in the
last few decades. These 
contradictions may show
up within a single passage
in some cases.The world of
medicine and pharmacology
boasts about the ability to
cater for specific racial groups
in diagnosis, clinical treatment 
drug therapy and so on, whilst
other factions in the scientific 
establishment challenge the 
concept of race outright. To 
complicate matters there is talk of 
haplogroups and so on, often 
used to connote genetic groupings
and in some quarters as a surrogate 
to "race."What we are sure about 
though is that race is indeed
a "sociological or psychological 
or political reality, an historical 
reality, in people's lives"-to quote
harrow. Biko can give us
some penitentiary data vis a vis
the US or Australia and the 
implicit biases and perceptions
at play.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Prof. of History/African Studies, CCSU
africahistory.net; vimeo.com/ gloriaemeagwali
Recipient of the 2014 Distinguished Research
Excellence Award, Univ. of Texas at Austin;
2019 Distinguished Africanist Award
New York African Studies Association


From: 'Augustine Togonu-Bickersteth' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
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Professor  Harrow very interesting  thinking.i need to reflect on it.iam highly honoured. What does it mean to be African? Or an African word view.? A person is a person through  other persons
.thats why I celebrate  someone else and it makes me feel good.
But Satre and Heidegger are not African  or a philosophers from Africa. What I have stated is confirmed by quantum  physics that things exist only in relation  to other things.thsts called mbutu  meaning I am because you are. Its should be instructive  that I have taken this up with Professor Carlo  rovelli in his write up on quantum physics in the new scientist of march 13 2021.quantum physics perhaps cannot be wrong and so mbutu! I told professor rovelli that we have already know n his ideas long before in Africa.

On Monday, September 12, 2022, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
dear augustine
this is really a hard question for me. on a personal level, perhaps...we can say, well, i am proud as an igbo or a black man or a nigerian that such and such did this great thing.
but really, does that man's achievement rub off onto you.
i am this little fellow, and instead of accepting myself for who i am, i see myself magnified in the other person's achievement.
sartre and heidegger were skeptical of the easy identification with the crowd. the key example is death. how the crowd takes death, talks about it, its pain, the loss etc. but you alone, your death, has no real meaning, confronts nothing of our ending, when placed in terms of the crowd. we can be authentic only with relation to our own meeting of death in ourselves, and that's the only authenticity.

it's hard for me because i want to crow when, say, for example, i can claim (truthfully) that julie merehtu grew up down the block from us, that our kids or kids' friends knew her and her sister, and now she is a world famous artist.
that's cool for a minute, till i realize it has nothing to do with me, and i falsely bask in her glow.
yet, which of us wouldn't feel proud of our children, as our dear toyin falola has done in talking about his daughters' accomplishments, and that talk makes us too feel good.

the existentialists aren't enough for me. i want us to share beyond our own personal borders, be happy and feel good for others, even at a distance. can we do that without excluding others, though? that's what makes it hard.
i come at this asking questions, not knowing answers.
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu


From: 'Augustine Togonu-Bickersteth' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 3:52 PM
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Professor Harrow please I love to be educared can you clarify this:should we be proud of our community members' achievements? sartre calls that bad faith, and i imagine heidegger would too, 

On Sunday, September 11, 2022, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
these are interesting observations by dr.o.
if race is a construct, let's say, on physiological grounds,or genetic grounds, that deny the arguments of pseudoscientific racism of the 19th century, it is a sociological or psychological or political reality, an historical reality, in people's lives. the best argument in that direction comes from stuart hall, famous for helping creat black british cultural studies as a field.
the distinction is important. we all share "identities" not because of genes, but because of communities in which we participate, and whose identity we share in creating.

should we be proud of our community members' achievements? sartre calls that bad faith, and i imagine heidegger would too, since they are not our own achievements. we appropriate the accomplishments of others that way, as if we ourselves had done the work and were similarly gifted.
thus all the ugly things said about black people, or jews, are the flip sides of compliments; e.g. they naturally have rhythem, or they naturally are great musicians. flip that and you get slurs. the same for many other compliments/slurs, like intelligence flips into money grubbing.

in that regard dr.o. has it right in using the term "naturally" which implies this imputation of value to race is a form of naturalizing, which is how racism or other forms of bigotry always work.
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu


From: 'Dr. Oohay' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
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Is being regarded as "a credit to the Black race" not a backhanded "white supremacist" compliment that upholds and promotes "race" as a ("natural") truth instead of "race" as an invidious and insidious fallacy (and thus a most dangerous phenomenon)?

Race is a fallacy, but ironically, invidiously, and insidiously, racism is an overwhelming reality. 


On Sunday, September 11, 2022, 8:11 AM, 'Augustine Togonu-Bickersteth' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Olutoyin ayinde is a consumate   professional  town planner  and former commissioner  for urban and physical planning  lsgos state. He is a credit to the Black Race.
I have not read , the Black man's dilemma  by the veteran journalist Areoye oyebola but I would like to read it

I have just read an interview in the punch  today september 112022 on why buildings collapse in nigeria  particularly  in lagos.
 Lagos has be in the news relatedly  the surveyor  General has been protesting  at the lagos government  flouting rules with respect to the practice of land surveying.
 Olutoyin ayinde understands  his subject I daresay he can hold his own any where in the world! A wise publisher. Book publisher  should go after him and other  people  like him to harvest  his knowledge and wealth of experience .interview in the newspaper is good  but its not enough.we need  books to thoroughly thrash the issue  of town planning in lagos and nigeria in particular .book for the family library, academic  library, children's  library school library, public library,administrative  library  etc  can the Librarians and publishers please step forward  to salute olutoyin ayinde an illustrious  son of Africa. 
It's said when an elder dies  in Africa whole libraries are lost.please let us save this library that is olutoyin ayinde.let us drink from this library  that is olutoyin ayinde.

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