On Mar 24, 2023, at 8:44 PM, Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi <oyeniyib@gmail.com> wrote:
Congratulations for not reading the fact that if the claims were not true and real there would not have been any reason for the woman to come out to talk about it.I hate to spell it out, but when the need arises, one has but to say it. I could see that you love to hear only your own voice, If not you would not have asked me to provide proof that Hon. Jaja was the first to claim that Lagos is a no man's land.At this point, this matter dies.OBA--On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 5:39 PM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:Oyeniyi,
I hope you now understand better the gravity of this situation.
You call yourself a scholar, but feel free to repeat dangerous claims which you are not able to verify.
You sent a video of an Igbo woman praising Yoruba people for being accommodating, strenuously disavowing the claim attributed to Igbos that Lagos is no man's land, insisting instead on acknowledging Yoruba sovereignty over Lagos.
The lady referred to ''those of them that said that Lagos is no man's land'' and proceeds to vigorously reject that perspective.
Igbos have been struggling to throw off that cloak which ethnicists have been using in demonizing them.
Does the video help your argument of Igbo insensitivity or contradict it?Does it verify your claim that Igbos refer to Lagos as no man's land and your efforts to locate your claim within a time frame from 1947 to the present or does it contradict your claim?
You could not find a video of Igbos affirming that claim?
The only existing record, the only verifiable reference, to Lagos as ''no mans land'' I have encountered comes from the esteemed Alhaji Lateef Jakande, the revered governor of Lagos State, in paragraph five of his 1979 inaugural address.
Please help us examine the implication of that fact.On the horrors and the long lasting destruction generated by APC's efforts at stoking ethnic division using the kind of claims you have been making, I will address that later.Thankstoyin--On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 21:23, Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi <oyeniyib@gmail.com> wrote:This answers all your questions on Lagos is a no man's land.As for claims that social media is on fire and people were being killed in Lagos, maybe you should do to yourself what you are doing to others by providing evidence of these.--On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:18 AM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Oyeniyi.
You are a scholar.
Scholars ideally dont make serious claims, before the entire world, as on this open online forum, without substantiation.
What are your grounds for making the claim that the expression ''Lagos is a No Man's Land'' was first made by Nwachukwu?
You also need to demonstrate how the concept became adapted by Igbos to mean Lagos belongs to no one.
These are issues of life and death. People are described as having been killed by APC thugs on the basis of incitements inspired by these ideas as peddled by the likes of FFK and Bayo Ononuga.Neighbours are described as having pointed out their Igbo neighbours to APC thugs for attack on the basis of these incitements. Chika Okeke Agulu describes how his friend and family barely escaped with their lives when those thugs came for them. The general brutalisation of Igbos on the basis of those incitements is evident to everyone.
Facebook is on fire with some Yorubas canvassing how perceived Igbo economic strongholds in Lagos such as Alaba Market and Computer Village, central economic centres possibly unique in Nigeria, and perhaps Africa, should be destroyed, incitements inspired by such ideas as you are projecting.
Igbos on Facebook are agonizing over the disenfranchisement they suffered and the effort to bastardize their commitment to the Nigeria project on account of such incitements.
So, sir, from the depths of your scholarly training that has led to your academic career, tell the world how you are able to give credence to that claim which possibly came from a newspaper which anyone can see online and which I too have found in researching this subject.
I am waiting for your demonstration of the claim that
''The phrase, Lagos is a "no man's land" was first used by the First Speaker of the House of Representatives and later Minister for Foreign Affairs, Honorable Jaja Anucha Nwachukwu, in 1947.''
Do you have access to any incontrovertible records that prove this? Do you have access to the official transcripts from the formal event or the platform where this declaration was made?
You also claim that
''Since Hon. Nwachukwu's description of Lagos as a "no man's land", Igbos in Lagos have used the description to promote the idea that Lagos does not belong to any particular ethnic group or culture, and therefore, anyone can claim ownership of the city.''
How did you come to this conclusion? Through research, since you are a field researcher, as you describe yourself? Through anecdotal inferences, developed from interacting with Igbos over decades?
How did you arrive at your temporal projection of 1947 as the point at which Igbos began to use this term to indicate Lagos belongs to no one?You have described claims of Lagos as a no-man's land as ''ahistorical, insensitive, and irresponsible''.
You also need to demonstrate that your views, which is all these claims you are making have proved to be so far, are not also ''ahistorical, insensitive, and irresponsible'', a descent into the efforts of APC Lagos to divide the electorate that defeated them in the Presidential elections, doing this by inciting ethnic warfare.
ThanksToyin--On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 02:13, Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi <oyeniyib@gmail.com> wrote:The claim that Lagos is a "no man's land" is a controversial and contested topic. Lagos, a city located in southwestern Nigeria, started out as a fishing village, called Eko. Its inhabitants and settlers were the Yoruba people. Over time, the area grew and attracted traders from neighboring regions, including the Binis who conquered the area in the 16th century, and European explorers, leading to the establishment of a thriving port city.
The phrase, Lagos is a "no man's land" was first used by the First Speaker of the House of Representatives and later Minister for Foreign Affairs, Honorable Jaja Anucha Nwachukwu, in 1947.
Hon. Nwachukwu used the term to describe Lagos as the Federal Capital of Nigeria. Then, and as now, he was wrong, as Lagos State was not Nigeria's capital, but a small part of Lagos was.
Until 1976 when the Justice Akinola Aguda Committee recommended the movement of Nigeria's capital to Abuja, Nigeria's capital was the land between Fadeyi and Victoria Island.
Other parts of Lagos and other lands in the entire Yorubaland were officially listed as Western Region.
Even at that, it must be remembered that the areas covered and named the 'Federal Capital', and the entire Lagos Island belongs to the Aromire family while Apapa belongs to the Oluwa family. Lagos Mainland belongs to the Oloto family while Tomaro to Onisiwo. Victoria Island belongs to the Oniru family while the Elegushi family owns Ikate. The whole of Ijora and Ajegunle belongs to the Ojora family. There was no part of Lagos that was an empty and ungoverned wasteland as the definition and the idea of a "no man's land" connotes. To call Lagos "a no man's land" then and now, as I noted in my earlier response, is ahistorical, insensitive, and irresponsible.
Hon. Nwachukwu's use of "no man's land", which applied only to the Federal Capital, gained traction since 1947 and was used essentially to denote the fact that due to a small section or part of Lagos being a Federal Capital, Lagos – whether as a whole or in part, belongs to nobody, but all Nigerians. As I already noted, this is not only wrong, but also ahistorical, insensitive, and irresponsible.
Lagos evolved over the years as a melting pot but that cannot and should not erase its history as Yorubaland and the small part that was Nigeria's capital was not an empty, ungoverned wasteland.
Since Hon. Nwachukwu's description of Lagos as a "no man's land", Igbos in Lagos have used the description to promote the idea that Lagos does not belong to any particular ethnic group or culture, and therefore, anyone can claim ownership of the city. Sadly, as we have been told, when the 33 years-old Odumegwu Ojukwu dragged the country into an avoidable Civil War, the Igbos knew their homelands and fled to there.
Asking me to give you figures of how many Igbos share in the idea is a classic act in playing to the gallery, a game I am not good at.
For the avoidance of doubt, Lagos has always been home to the Yoruba, and they have a rightful claim to the land.
The Bini conquest of the 16th century, to borrow from late Ade-Ajayi, is a phase, a chapter in the long continuum that was and still is a Lagos and Yoruba history.
If you desire to know the proportion of Igbos who shared in the view, you are at liberty to conduct a field survey.
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--On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 12:47 AM Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:Oyeniyi,
Before I respond to the rest of what you have written, could you please do two things?
1. Provide conclusive evidence of those Igbos that referred to Lagos as no mans land.
2. Provide conclusive evidence that that sentiment represents Igbo perspectives in Lagos generally.
I have been asking for this information from various people repeating the claim but I am yet to get it .
I'm eagerly waiting.
Toyin--On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 at 00:08, Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi <oyeniyib@gmail.com> wrote:A Spade or a Garden Fork?
It is trite knowledge that Yorubas were not the ones that described Lagos as a "no man's land", rather it was the Igbos. Is this an afront on the Yorubas? It depends on who you ask.
In 2010, I led a group of researchers to conduct fieldwork on the contributions of internal migrants to internal migration in Nigeria and, from Port Harcourt to Nnewi, we were either rebuffed, assaulted, mugged or totally denied access to government institutions, markets, and other places where we were to conduct interviews. We later resorted to using Igbo students, many of whom were contracted through a professor at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka. Our phones, cameras and other recording instruments were snatched from us in broad daylight, and no one came to our aid.
Any study on domestic terrorism in Nigeria would be incomplete unless it includes groups and individuals such as Odua Peoples Congress (OPC), Bakassi Boys, Anambra Vigilante Service (AVS), Movement for the Emancipation of Niger Delta (MEND), MASSOB, Boko Haram, IPOB, ESN, etc. etc. These groups and their leaders were not only famous for hostage taking, kidnapping for ransom, pipeline vandalism, oil-theft, arson and ambush, they also terrorized Nigerians and foreigners as well as agitated for strictly parochial ideals.
I cited the above to illustrate one point: no society is devoid of elements such as those referred to as committing "a rapacious culture of thuggery in Lagos".
Ingratitude, as they say, hurts. Among others, Alhaji Lateef Jakande – former governor of Lagos, would be turning in his grave looking helplessly at what his gesture turned out to be in today's Lagos. During his time, he not only granted the Igbos free and exclusive access to land, but he also ensured their economic vitality in Lagos. Tinubu followed as the first sitting governor of Lagos to appoint Igbos into office in any state in Southwestern Nigeria.
While the argument that Lagos was Nigeria's erstwhile national capital and, as such, the cynosure of all national investment prior to relocation of the national capital to Abuja suffices for the push-and-pull factor for internal migration to Lagos, it fails and continue to fail in supporting the claim that Lagos is a "no man's land". The claim is not only ahistorical, but also rude and disrespectful.
It is on account of this that many, including myself, viewed with some measure of support, the ethnic bent of the current politics in Lagos State. The unwholesome claim has also brought out another infantile claim – that Bini Kingdom owns Lagos.
At its height, the Soninke Empire controlled from part of modern-day Mauritania to parts of modern-day Mali. In the same way, the Mali Empire spread from the Atlantic Coast to what later became known as the Sokoto Caliphate. The Oyo Empire controlled from Oyo Ile to Accra and to Benin and Dahomey in much the same way as the British Empire knew no sunset at its height. The claim of Bini's ownership of Lagos is akin to Britain claiming ownership of Nigeria, India, Egypt, etc. It is an advertisement of ignorance to assert that the Bini conquest of Eko should now be understood as ownership. Was Eko a tabula rasa as of the time of the Bini conquest? The term conquest in se reflects the ignorance of the claimants. The same could be said of the so-called "Lagos is a no man's land" claim by the Igbo.
Regarding order of occurrence, I think I would require further education on why the crudity associated with the so-called "Lagos is a no man's land" claim by the Igbo does not qualify for more than just "Ethnic politics in its inhuman baseness" but Yoruba's reaction to the unwholesome claim should be so described.
On ENDSARS, opinions are many, but facts are few. Who killed whom remained in the air, even many years after the event. Don't misunderstand me, people were killed in Ado-Ekiti and in Osogbo and Ilesha, the sitting governor of Osun State escaped assassination when protesters shot at his vehicle. At Lekki, claims were many, but bodies were few, if not non-existent.
Although the available facts are inadequate to either accuse or exonerate government, I am in possession of a radio broadcast by Nnamdi Kanu's minute-by-minute directives to Igbo youths as regards where to burn, whose house or property to destroy, who to kill, etc. as the IPOB and ESN leader orchestrated the hijacking of the ENDSARS protest to feed Igbo agenda. Can anyone then blame the Buhari administration from descending on these sets of animals in human skin, preventing them from completely burning Lagos?
I would also like to seek clarification on why Yorubas that were tired of ethnic politics occasioned by events and politics in Lagos would elect to vote for a non-Yoruba and a non-Hausa in Lagos State during the Presidential Election but voted for a Yoruba man during the state election. Permit me to quote verbatim:
"Many people, including Yorubas, are tired of this kind of politics and voted against APC and PDP in the Presidential elections, a move that some APC short sighted people are struggling to paint as an effort to take Lagos from Yoruba people."
The above turns logic on its head. If Yorubas are tired of ethnic politics in Lagos, why did they vote for a Yoruba man in Lagos State governorship election? If anything, voting for a Yoruba man at the governorship election clearly shows that Yorubas are ready to show that they are the owners of Lagos, a step that you branded 'ethnic politics', but it is actually ethnic response to ethnic insult in the most civilized manner.
It is easy to claim, especially after Obi's electoral defeat, that "some APC short sighted people are struggling to paint" claims of Lagos as a no man's land "as an effort to take Lagos from Yoruba people". However, such response should not be divorced from the Igbo's claims and the orchestration of the second destruction of Lagos as witnessed during the ENDSARS protest. Here is a link to Nnamdi Kanu's broadcast orchestrating the destruction of Lagos during the ENDSARS protest –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t80S6iHw8Mk
As the Yoruba puts it: "onilu ko ni je ki ilu o tu" – Indigenes won't watch their homestead destroyed.
As Kanu himself stated, the criminals who are "insisting on threatening" Yoruba people "in the name of political power, stoking the murder of" Nigerians "as happened in the last election, are trying to start war" are the Igbos themselves. You are right about the "Igbos live in Lagos legitimately and earn their living legally as Nigerians". How does the claim "Lagos is a no-man's land" sound to you? Does it speak to a demonization or beatification of the Igbos? Does it make the Igbos ethnic bigots and political prostitutes or Femi Fani-Kayode?
To be honest, if Femi Fani-Kayode qualified as a "madman" that "should be stopped", what should be done to the Igbos who destroyed Lagos during the ENDSARS? What should be done to those whose words and actions set the socio-economic and political fabric of Lagos on fire before, during, and after the elections? Is it because Igbo businesses at Computer Village would suffer if the Yoruba should unleash mayhem on them "as FFK and others like him" demanded? Why are you holding FKK and others to a standard and the Igbos to another standard?
Is it ethnic supremacy only when Yorubas asserted their ownership of Lagos and voted one of their own into office or is it also ethnic supremacy when Igbos claimed and described Lagos as a "no man's land" and were burning Lagos? Is voting a Yoruba man into office in Yorubaland only "the most foolish things anyone can do" or when Igbos denigrated Yoruba people, called for the killing of Sanwo-Olu, his mother, the burning of Lagos Mass Transit Vehicles, police stations, hotels and businesses of Yoruba people? Does the calling for the killing of Yoruba people, including Tinubu, Sanwo-Olu and the destruction of their business interests qualify as "trying to destroy the central and perhaps only concentration of information technology and computing expertise in Nigeria in the name of ethnic supremacy"?
Let us call a spade a spade and not anything else: the Igbos who claimed that "Lagos is a no man's land" are ethnic bigots and, if anything, they should be reined-in by other clear-eyed Igbos. Asking indigenes not to react to such stupid claim(s) is an advertisement of ethnic chauvinism, a lack of emotional intelligence, and class-act insensitivity.
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--On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:16 AM Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:Tony Allen : Secret Agent
"No Man's Land"?
Out of 40 seats, APC wins 38 seats, LP wins 2 in Lagos Assembly
Ahmed Deedat : Israel and the Palestinians
ARABS And ISRAEL Conflict Or Conciliation
--On Wednesday, 22 March 2023 at 15:01:04 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
As you may or may not have gathered from the posting about Things to avoid during Ramadan, calumny, backbiting, dissension, and civil strife, are some of the things that pious Muslims are advised to not engage in during the holy month of Ramadan.
In my humble opinion that should be the praxis for the rest of humanity too, including you and me, the year round.
I'm not equally sure about this measure: Lashon HaRa against the Wicked - or that we should desist from speaking out against evil and by default, thereby silently acquiesce and allow evil to triumph in our midst, in any of God's kingdoms down here on mother earth.
Cosmopolitanism may be, where some of us are coming from and that probably explains why when I checked the latest news about this righteous soul Femi Fani-Kayode I could find none of the nonsense being attributed to him by his desperate adversaries in the post-election era in which instead of stoking new ethnic fires, we should all be promoting peace and unity, peace and love, beginning with peace and reconciliation between the winners and the losers in the just concluded presidential elections
In the Nigerian context, whatever extensions may be derived from Femi Fani-Kayode asserting that Nigeria's former capital city, the still most cosmopolitan city in all of Nigeria and the undisputed economic hub of the nation "Lagos is NOT no-man's land." - is juridically and legally speaking, correct ( just ask the Oba of Lagos) just as Enugu or Umuahia or indeed Jerusalem or Stockholm or Ground Zero, Greenwich Street in multiethnic New York, or Bangkok the capital of Thailand cannot be said to be a " no man's land"
I suppose that the crux of the newfangled "no man's land" awareness is the wishful thinking that accompanied Peter Obi supposedly polling more votes than President-Elect Bola Ahmed Tinubu in Lagos, his own home turf. This of course could have made some of his Igbo supporters who voted for Obi there, giddy or delirious with their new national anthem " No Man's land"
Next stop in the name of Igbophobia, another no man's land, the Oyo Empire is really Igbo?
Resurrect the Sokoto Caliphate and baptize it Igbo?
You come tramping into my dining room and tell me, "This is no man's Land"?
Surely, these are not genius philosophical or poetic questions?
Next stop another Final Solution ( like Hitler's Jews telling him that Germany is " No Man's land" or Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich saying "there's no such thing as Palestinian people
"To see the townsfolk suffer so, From vermin, was a pity."
and, so, like the rats following the flute of the Pied Piper of Hamelin
they all get drowned in the Lagos Lagoon?
Listen up: Christopher Columbus
On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 22:40:17 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:The Self Destructiveness of APC Anti-Igbo Strategy in Lagos State as Led by Femi Fani-KayodeVery, very sad.Ethnic politics in its inhuman baseness.These people dont know what time of day it is.Was it Igbos who massacred the EndSars protesters?Is it Igbos who have enabled a rapacious culture of thuggery in Lagos?Many people, including Yorubas, are tired of this kind of politics and voted against APC and PDP in the Presidential elections, a move that some APC short sighted people are struggling to paint as an effort to take Lagos from Yoruba people.These people, insisting on threatening Igbos in the name of political power, stoking the murder of Igbos as happened in the last election, are trying to start war.Igbos live in Lagos legitimately and earn their living legally as Nigerians.Trying to demonize them as the bigot and political prostitute Femi Fani-Kayode is doing is an invitation to war.This madman should be stopped by his party APC in the interests of all.Trying to destroy the economic strongholds associated with Igbos in Lagos, such as Computer Village, as FFK and others like him are projecting, is one of the most foolish things anyone can do, trying to destroy the central and perhaps only concentration of information technology and computing expertise in Nigeria in the name of ethnic supremacy.
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