Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 6:13 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Ethnic Politics in Nigeria: The Self Destructiveness of APC Anti-Igbo Strategy in Lagos State as Led by Femi Fani-Kayode
Sir,
I get your drift
My understanding is that your rhetorical request that the less-than-omniscient Baba Kadiri should do the impossible is the equivalent of what I would say is "a tall order"
I was only - playfully - in the mode of Messrs Okey Iheduru and Chika Okeke-Agulu, giving you a dose of your own medicine by requesting that from that amorphous mega mass of nondescript cyber criminals ( 3.8 million cyber-terror attacks) as you say "without the proper details, context and comparisons." so you too must furnish us with the names and the party affiliations, ethnicities, Lombroso features of the suspected cyber "miscreants", with accuracy, precision, line up the suspects for an identification parade and point them out, that's all, nothing more, nothing less. Don't omit to provide the evidence, and no falsifiable hypotheses from you, please, Your Honour.
Otherwise, when it comes to meanings and definitions you can be
AS PEDANTIC AS YOU WANT TO BE
EVEN MORE PEDANTIC THAN WANNABE PETER OBI!
Dally Kimoko : Tobina
Rhymes with Obinna and Kobina
Not clear how why asking for evidence to support ones allegations is "of such a tall order" and, what allegations or statements did I make for me to be asked to identify miscreants or anyone else?
and BTW, "Nigeria recorded XX million cyber attacks" does not necessarily mean much without the proper details, context and comparisons.
From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com <usaafric...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 7:21 AMSubject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Ethnic Politics in Nigeria: The Self Destructiveness of APC Anti-Igbo Strategy in Lagos State as Led by Femi Fani-KayodeMessrs Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju & Obinna,
This is serious.
Your queries - of such a tall order - addressed to Baba Kadiri may be a matter of National & Pan -African urgency, but let's exercise a little patience, please.
Before Oyeniyi Bukola Adeyemi and Baba Kadiri's submissions are permitted to answer your inquiries and thereby satisfy/ not satisfy your curiosity, if possible we should like you to identify the miscreants behind these attempted perversion, subversion, and sabotage of the required ethical standards that should have governed the mother of all presidential elections in Nigeria:
Nigeria recorded 3.8 million Cyber attacks during gubernatorial, state assembly elections
There was also this interesting news item, "a number of persons have been Fingered in a Sting Operation for seeking to Manipulate the BVAS" forwarded by Dr. Siriku Eniola, followed by indignant rejoinders from Messrs Okey Iheduru and Chika Okeke-Agulu ( smile)
This is all speculation of course: None of us has to be as imaginative as the late John le Carré in order to say let's look at it this way: That ideally some of the unidentified cyber criminals would have gladly loved to have succeeded in hacking the BVAS and substituting their own grossly inflated figures for the real ones - of the x number of valid votes - and then insisted that those were the real figures - as released by an unwary INEC.
Hence their frustration that this did not happen, and we need to look for no further explanations of the tears - not crocodile tears or tears of tribulation but real dear tears, costly tears of frustration, tears of the missed opportunity by the aforementioned miscreants.
But what else to expect of miscreants who were planning to dump counterfeit currency into the Central Bank when a change of currency was slated for 1984 - which but for the grace of God the Buhari- Idiagbon coup on New Year's Eve 1983 aborted!
And of course, it's not the miscreants but the long-suffering and no longer shmiling who are hungry for justice that say, " God dae!"
--On Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 12:18:14 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
Salimonu,
Great thanks for this:
''Since over 70% of the population of Lagos is Yoruba, Peter Obi could not have won if the electorates were tribally inclined, that is to say if Yoruba had voted for Yoruba and non-Yoruba had voted for Igbo.''
Going forward, could you please provide evidence that makes you give credence to these claims:
''Following the declaration of the result of presidential election in Lagos, non-indigenes of Lagos went out not only to celebrate Obi's victory over Tinubu but also triumphantly chanted "Lagos is no man's land." ''
''It was even reported that some flew and waved "IPOB flag' at Alausa, the seat of Lagos State Government to demonstrate that Lagos has been captured.''
I am eagerly waiting.
Toyin
On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 at 00:08, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
--Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
The result of the Presidential election in Lagos State gave Peter Obi, of the Labour Party, 582, 457 votes while Bola Ahmed Tinubu won 572, 611 votes. Peter Obi, former Governor of Anambra State in the South East won the presidential election in Lagos State over its former Governor with 9,846 votes. Since over 70% of the population of Lagos is Yoruba, Peter Obi could not have won if the electorates were tribally inclined, that is to say if Yoruba had voted for Yoruba and non-Yoruba had voted for Igbo. Following the declaration of the result of presidential election in Lagos, non-indigenes of Lagos went out not only to celebrate Obi's victory over Tinubu but also triumphantly chanted "Lagos is no man's land." It was even reported that some flew and waved "IPOB flag' at Alausa, the seat of Lagos State Government to demonstrate that Lagos has been captured.
Femi Fani-Kayode must have read or watched on TV about the demonstrating ethnic triumphalist in Lagos since he resides in Abuja. Naturally, Fani-Kayode reacted by correctly pointing out that Lagos, and its present day extension including part of the old Western Region, from time immemorial is a Yoruba land and not a no man's land. Fani-Kayode regarded the demonstration of Igbo political triumphalist in Lagos as conspiracy and revolt of Igbo immigrants against their hosts and he pleaded to the Yoruba to vote for Sanwo-Olu in the governorship election. At no time did Fani-Kayode incite the Yoruba to attack Igbo or destroy their properties because of the outcome of Presidential election. Remember that it was only in the Southwest of Nigeria that the Igbo recovered their houses after the civil war and rents collected and kept in escrow were paid back to their rightful owners. In Lagos, rents collected from the properties of the father of Chukwuemeka Odumegwu Ojukwu (OTL) had accumulated to N12 million when he returned from exile in 1982 and which he quietly collected without telling Nigerians, who got to know of it when one of his siblings, Lotanna Ojukwu filed a case in court to demand his own share of their father's heritage. In Rivers State, we have had Odili, Amechi and now Wike, all of who are Ikwere Igbo governors of the State after the civil war, yet up till date Igbo who fled as a result of the war have had their houses confiscated as abandoned properties.
You will recall that the annulment of June 12, 1993, Presidential election was preceded by midnight Court injunction granted to one Arthur Nzeribe that counting of votes should stop. When the election was annulled all Igbos in the Southwest fled to their ancestral home in the Southeast believing that war would breakout in the Southwest including Lagos. Chinua Achebe described that Igbo behaviour in his 'No Longer at Ease' as follows, "We are strangers in this land, when calamities befall the owners of the land, we return home leaving the owners of the land who know how to appease their own gods." Indeed, the Igbo in Lagos in the aftermath of the June 12, 1993 annulment thought calamity would befall the Southwest and they fled en masse and after the Yoruba had appeased their gods, Igbo people returned. Fani-Kayode has not, and he could never have, demonized the Igbo because it is neither in the genes or culture of the Yoruba people to be anti-human. At best, what Femi Fani-Kayode said about the presidential election vis-á vis the impending gubernatorial election in Lagos is in tandem with what Chinua Achebe made Okonkwo to say in his 'Things Fall Apart,' that if a person comes to defecate in your compound, get a big stick to break his head. I cannot say what belongs to Mr. Adepoju is ours and what belongs to me is mine only. And should Mr. Adepoju object to my expropriation of his belongings, I would accuse him of demonizing me and being unfriendly.S. Kadiri
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Sent: 22 March 2023 15:00
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Ethnic Politics in Nigeria: The Self Destructiveness of APC Anti-Igbo Strategy in Lagos State as Led by Femi Fani-Kayode
Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju,
As you may or may not have gathered from the posting about Things to avoid during Ramadan, calumny, backbiting, dissension, and civil strife, are some of the things that pious Muslims are advised to not engage in during the holy month of Ramadan.
In my humble opinion that should be the praxis for the rest of humanity too, including you and me, the year round.
I'm not equally sure about this measure: Lashon HaRa against the Wicked - or that we should desist from speaking out against evil and by default, thereby silently acquiesce and allow evil to triumph in our midst, in any of God's kingdoms down here on mother earth.
Cosmopolitanism may be, where some of us are coming from and that probably explains why when I checked the latest news about this righteous soul Femi Fani-Kayode I could find none of the nonsense being attributed to him by his desperate adversaries in the post-election era in which instead of stoking new ethnic fires, we should all be promoting peace and unity, peace and love, beginning with peace and reconciliation between the winners and the losers in the just concluded presidential elections
In the Nigerian context, whatever extensions may be derived from Femi Fani-Kayode asserting that Nigeria's former capital city, the still most cosmopolitan city in all of Nigeria and the undisputed economic hub of the nation "Lagos is NOT no-man's land." - is juridically and legally speaking, correct ( just ask the Oba of Lagos) just as Enugu or Umuahia or indeed Jerusalem or Stockholm or Ground Zero, Greenwich Street in multiethnic New York, or Bangkok the capital of Thailand cannot be said to be a " no man's land"
I suppose that the crux of the newfangled "no man's land" awareness is the wishful thinking that accompanied Peter Obi supposedly polling more votes than President-Elect Bola Ahmed Tinubu in Lagos, his own home turf. This of course could have made some of his Igbo supporters who voted for Obi there, giddy or delirious with their new national anthem " No Man's land"
Next stop in the name of Igbophobia, another no man's land, the Oyo Empire is really Igbo?
Resurrect the Sokoto Caliphate and baptize it Igbo?
You come tramping into my dining room and tell me, "This is no man's Land"?
Surely, these are not genius philosophical or poetic questions?
Next stop another Final Solution ( like Hitler's Jews telling him that Germany is " No Man's land" or Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich saying "there's no such thing as Palestinian people
"To see the townsfolk suffer so, From vermin, was a pity."
and, so, like the rats following the flute of the Pied Piper of Hamelin
they all get drowned in the Lagos Lagoon?
Listen up: Christopher Columbus
--On Tuesday, 21 March 2023 at 22:40:17 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
The Self Destructiveness of APC Anti-Igbo Strategy in Lagos State as Led by Femi Fani-KayodeVery, very sad.Ethnic politics in its inhuman baseness.These people dont know what time of day it is.Was it Igbos who massacred the EndSars protesters?Is it Igbos who have enabled a rapacious culture of thuggery in Lagos?Many people, including Yorubas, are tired of this kind of politics and voted against APC and PDP in the Presidential elections, a move that some APC short sighted people are struggling to paint as an effort to take Lagos from Yoruba people.These people, insisting on threatening Igbos in the name of political power, stoking the murder of Igbos as happened in the last election, are trying to start war.Igbos live in Lagos legitimately and earn their living legally as Nigerians.Trying to demonize them as the bigot and political prostitute Femi Fani-Kayode is doing is an invitation to war.This madman should be stopped by his party APC in the interests of all.Trying to destroy the economic strongholds associated with Igbos in Lagos, such as Computer Village, as FFK and others like him are projecting, is one of the most foolish things anyone can do, trying to destroy the central and perhaps only concentration of information technology and computing expertise in Nigeria in the name of ethnic supremacy.
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