Wagner is an invited power. It got a golden invitation
from the golden state of Mali and also Burkina Faso.
It will get some gold coins in compensation - a pittance
compared to the loot stolen by France in the form of
minerals, artifacts, manuscripts and more.
At the Temple of Luxor, in Egypt, last week I was told that the
obelisk for one of the statues of Ramsesses II is
basking in a French city. It is one of 19 misappropriated
obelisks taken from Egypt by Europe.
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Dear raheem,
I find these discussions really one-sided.
Why are you lecturing me on the cia, as others in this list have lectured me on france. It's like lecturing someone who has spent his entire life as a leftist, teaching and writing and demonstrating against the imperialism of the west and against colonialism, neocolonialism and so on.
The point to be learned in fighting imperialism is that when another imperial power, call it the u.s.s.r., mobilized its power, say to conquer neighboring states, or to bring the cold war to another continent, that doesn't mean we automatically accepted to align with them. Isn't it clear to you that wagner is the new ugly face of the neocolonial power and abuse we have fought against for decades. They do not correct any imbalances defined by the abuses of the cia, they create new and worse ones on the african continent.
If we want to say russia supported liberation movements in the past, does that justify their new colonial abuses that are more brutal and direct than any other recent world power in africa? How can we speak for africa's needs and people and justice when defending the horrible mercenary, russia monstrosity that has used released prisoners for cannon fodder. How are they different from former south african mercenaries?
The argument that the cia in chile was worse is totally irrelevant. You are lecturing to your ally as though he were your enemy: of course the cia was terrible, but the soviet union on balance imposed a totalitarian order on many countries, and its support of liberation in south africa or elsewhere, as part of the cold war, is no longer relevant to the current authoritarian regime. Your argument could be used to justify stalinism. Do you really want to go there?
Finally, your reasoning, if i may say, reduces us to an all or nothing perspective. Maybe with all its abuses in the c,a.r., life was worse with the internal fighting than now. Still i'd oppose wagner for ripping off the c.a.r. In order to impose its military order. Right now no one can really justify what its actions entail in mali. The malian govt invited them in? Does that mean we have lost our abilities to form judgments on that decision?
I try to hear a debate and discuss, not so much come to a simple single truth. The impositions of the global order involve china, now russia, and a few major states like india, attempting to assert their larger role in a world order formerly dominated by the west. That is a legitimate struggle. Wagner and ukraine, are not in any sense i can understand legitimate example of the struggle against western imperialism. They are, rather, new faces of russian and anti-western imperialism. For us the struggle should be against imperialisms, be they of the east or west, or even internal ones.
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Prof. Ken,
When you sum up what the CIA has done on African soil since the 1950s, in Latin America and parts of Asia, you will agree with me that the Wagner group is just incomparable. I am still wondering whether you recall how the CIA plotted for 50 years the removal of Fidel Castro and how its drug war on that continent has led to the death of hundreds of people. How do we explain NATO's intervention in Libya and the murder of Saddam Hussein? Howbeit the US intervention in Syria through its Saudi proxy? Qasem Soleimani was recently murdered by the same CIA in blatant disregard for international law and human rights. Can we still talk about US intervention in Afghanistan that removed the Taliban and after 2 decades failed to achieve anything? Of course the body count is still yet to be recorded. If we want to throw blame around, Wagner should not be our problem. It has not done a quarter of what its great master in the US has done for more than half of a century across the world.
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 at 15:12, Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:
--I don't quite agree raheem. If you are saying the Big powers have militaries which they use surreptitiously, like the chinese spy balloons, i'd agree. But it is too easy and naive to say they are all equivalent and do the same things. The wagner group is not a spy organization; its operations are not clandestine. They are a brutal mercenary group that is ripping off weak states whose military can't exercise control over their territories. I don't know of any equivalent from the americans or chinese or any other group. Al jazeera's report confirms other reports from the new york times and bbc, the guardian, le monde, and other reliable sources. We want to thank russia for its past support of revolutionary movements, but that shouldn't blind us to its present neocolonial actions which are really egregious and should be condemned roundly.
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--al jazeera on wagner group https://www.aljazeera.com/program/start-here/2023/3/3/the-wagner-group-explained-start-here
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