Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - More Quran burning in Sweden in the name of "Freedom of Expression " 2

Toyin, when you say christians don't care (about bible burning), the point is that you are saying they are not as backward and bigoted or violent as the muslims. Is that what you are implying? If so, you know we are all hearing the same anti-muslim rhetoric, that results in violence periodically, as the anti-christian or fanatic statements you deplore

Maybe you need to stand in the middle of paris now, or boston yesterday, or in sweden the day before, to monitor that anti-muslim rhetoric that is so pervasive. It was a major part of getting trump elected, along with his anti-mexican anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Ever since 9/11, anti-muslim hatred has been a real factor in our country; and ever since the immigration into europe, it is a very real impetus to the right wing in europe.

Ken

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i dont think i used the generic term Muslim in a manner that suggests hate speech

i wrote

 '' those Muslims who are disturbed''

 and 

''By the time Muslims refuse to indirectly fuel those provocations by their reactions''

a no of Muslims are disturbed by anti-Islam expressions.

some have reacted non-violently while others have reacted violently 

im stating that both groups may do well to realize that their responses motivates those efforts to antagonize Muslims

why are such spectacular efforts not being made to antagonize Christians

why are Bibles not being burnt 

bcs Christians dont care

why dont they care

bcs of the relative sophistication of their attitudes to the Bible, of their textual theologies, of their Biblical  hermeneutics as well as of the transformations Christianity has undergone, seismic changes of a scope Islam has not undergone 

comparative hermeneutics of sacred texts is a very rich topic, made more so by the tensions between Muslims and those who approach Koran burning as a means of attacking Muslims

a topic ripe for discussion but who is open to such discussions

some might be too sensitive to even discuss various approaches to Koranic hermeneutics 

its vital to realize there are different kinds of Islam 

the Islam of ''we shall not discuss views different from ours'' is only one kind

the Islam of ''we shall kill you if you disagree with us or if you disrespect our religion'' is only one kind even though the loudest

thanks

toyin

On Sat, 1 Jul 2023 at 14:35, Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

I plead that this trend stops. The use of the generic "muslim" is  moving in the direction of hate speech.

 

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Date: Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - More Quran burning in Sweden in the name of "Freedom of Expression " 2

Well said by Ken

 

But those Muslims who are disturbed may need to realize that the Koran burners  are likely to be  responding to extremist, inhuman veneration of religion is Islam, in which violent Muslims take human life in defense of their religion.

 

By the time Muslims refuse to indirectly fuel those provocations by their reactions people are likely to lose interest in Koran burning.

 

Why are people not going out of their way to burn the Bible?

 

Thanks

 

Toyin

 

 

 

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023, 2:15 AM Harrow, Kenneth <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

i'm like toyin adepoju in thinking the value of the book doesn't really lie in its material properties. and i wouldn't let the haters bait me.

on the other hand, there's lots of burning i would really mind a lot.

i recently read of the various statues and scrolls etc destroyed by the various goons during the iraq war—priceless heritage of all human kind. and the taliban destruction of the buddhist statues.

if it were a 8^th century qur'an, i'd be upset; if it were an early christian relic, i'd be upset.

etc etc

the nazis burned everything jewish they could get their hands on, or sold them. i don't like that.

 

toyin is right: we don't want to go to war over idolatry of this or that manuscript; but we do want to give value to humanity in our veneration of objects we treasure....like, for instance, the benin bronzes, or ifa heads or yoruba masks etc. when the missionaries burned them they were the same as the foolish iraqi man in sweden who delighted in desecration of the qur'an.

i'm with anthony appiah on this: the relics of each of us are relics for all of us.

ken

 

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

517 803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

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If it were my own holy book being burnt I would not care

 

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 2:22 PM Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:

A copy of the Holy Quran was burned outside a mosque in Sweden on Wednesday during the  Eid al-Adha celebration 

Saudi Arabia condemns extremist who burnt Quran outside Stockholm mosque during Eid

Holy Wrath 👍

Turkeye's President Erdogan reacts to the burning of a Quran outside a mosque in Sweden :

 

""We will eventually teach the arrogant Westerners that insulting Muslims is not freedom of thought; We will show our reaction in the strongest possible terms, until a determined victory against terrorist organizations and Islamophobia is achieved, Those who commit this crime as well as those who allow it under the guise of freedom of opinion, those who tolerate this despicable act will not be able to achieve their ambitions"

 

 

 

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