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Dear Kenneth,
Surprise, surprise, I agree with what Professor Kenneth Harrow is saying here, circa 90% and with only 10% reservations. Of course, I too " don't agree that the new york times is particularly bitter about china in africa. The article is even handed." They are not bitter, or guilty of suppressed bitterness, on the contrary they are overjoyed to report that " China as a whole is running out of money, particularly foreign exchange,"
Of course, I assume that The Washington Post, which I regard as the semi-official organ of the Washington DC establishment, would be a lot more bitter - bitter-er and more sour about China, than the New York Times.
I take my cue from Israpundit
At this point, short of making sure that Africa gets a better deal what alternative does Africa have when 90 % of the gold that's safely buried in Ghana is already mortgaged to Canadian Gold Miners for the next 100 years (so far for " the future generations" until circa the year 2120 of this era/ after Jesus (unless, some military messiah/ another Junior Jesus arises in Ghana , dispenses with the rogue kalabule parliament that has been rubber-stamping these disastrous deals (disastrous to the nation ) tears them up ( to hell with the crooks, to hell with international crookery and to hell with the I.T.T.) and what your reported lastly about the new deal that China has with DRC (68% ownership to China, 32% to Congo) goodness knows for the next how many donkey's years; and as for the unfortunate countries like Angola and Zambia that default in paying their debts ,perhaps the chronic pessimists foresee a time when they will be chanting " Black is black, I want my country back" ?
So, what alternatives does Africa have if Uncle Sam and Western Allies cannot offer Africa better deals than what China has been offering, and doing?
200 years after slavery, colonisation and no reparations, how much infrastructure contributions can the imperialists boast of, compared to how much China has done in Africa, South America and the Caribbean in just the last twenty years?
Unlike the United States, China has no Human Rights pretensions. China does not regard the internal affairs, the cultural and religious affairs of other sovereign countries, including their various practices of official / unofficial racism , antisemitism, Islamophobia, LGQTQ and abortion issues in the United States, as their own (Chinese ) personal affairs about which China feels called upon to act like the World's Police and Fire Brigade. Unlike the United States, China does not like poking its nose into the domestic affairs of other sovereign nations and in this regard they have been maintaining a Policy of Non-Interference in the domestic affairs of another country - unlike the United States, currently a long ways away from home, busy fishing in the South China Sea, and in the Persian Gulf, 900 military bases all over the world, on stand by
In this regard it would seem that the Chinese are smarter than the Americans.
Consider : "We are grateful for the support and friendship that China has provided as we have worked to rebuild and transform our country after the devastation of apartheid, "Mr. Ramaphosa told Mr. Xi as he greeted him on Tuesday."
China places much emphasis on FRIENDSHIP - and in interpersonal relations too, Chinese people value friendship and that's their approach in Africa. Should Xi come to Nigeria, all he has to do is to take Tinubu by the hand, smile and ask him," We make friendship?"
Sign here.
Interesting that the Brics people have extended an invitation to six more nations to join them and that includes Saudi Arabia, Iran and the United Arab Emirates. Maybe Nigeria will be invited to join too?
BTW, I can't imagine Tinubu daring to irritate Uncle Sam by saying Yes to that …
Sadly, the Wagner leader is no more. Perhaps one of Zelensky's drones, goons or or clowns brought him down?
I'm looking forward to attending a lecture on the 16th of October on " Kosher Nostra" no pun intended, by one " Gun Moll"
For Chidi:
https://www.facebook.com/212681275442790/photos/a.926548794056031/3503409933036558/?type=3
Dear cornelius, i don't agree that the new york times is particularly bitter about china in africa. The article is even handed. It admits/claims that both the u.s. and china are competitors for china, both are the dominant world powers. It evokes africa's endebtedness to both.I think it is better to keep an open mind as to benefits china is providing. These are not gifts, any more than imf loans are gifts. They have strings attached, as in, give me contracts for your minerals. The congo has tried to renegotiate those contracts. They are not innocuous.Perhaps the benefits outway the risks or payments; i don't claim to know it.I do however believe in the importance and value of human rights, and china is a pretty poor example. If the uyghars are receiving monstrous treatment, and it is an example of muslims being oppressed. As for africa, they couldn't care less if a regime oppresses its people or denies it rights, just as they have done at home.That matters a lot to me.Ken
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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2023 8:08:16 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: role of china
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 at 00:46, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
All the great Africa commentators are buzzing about The 2023 Brics Summit in South Africa
I'd just like to make it clear ( for folks like Pablo Idahosa) that if e.g. quote from Paul's alleged letter to Timothy, that " Money is at the root of all evil", it doesn't mean that critically or uncritically I endorse that saying or anything else in the letters of Paul, or indeed of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John, or Chomsky for that matter. Full text of Xi's signed article on S. African mediaThe article happens to be titled
"Sailing the Giant Ship of China-South Africa Friendship and Cooperation Toward Greater Success"
Hopefully, some prevaricator or literary critic who is no professor of Chinese or any other language won't start disputing the clarity of Xi Jinping's message, translated into the English Language….
I'm looking forward to Jeffery Sachs weighing in on Brics
Given the bitterness with which Uncle Sam ( USA) views China's growing influence in Africa, one has to take everything that e.g. The New York Times says about Chinese interests in Africa with a nip of salt and this latest diatribe is no exception to that rule.
Take the beginning of the very first sentence, calculated to set the tone in this propaganda piece ("pretty great article") that Professor Harrow has posted here, a transparent calumny - almost - that the unwary is liable to swallow hook line and sinker:
"President Xi Jinping of China, traveling to Africa for the first time in five years" - as if he hasn't visited the dear, beloved continent for five good years because he really doesn't care for her, that much ….
The " for the first time in five years" is literally true, by a mere month because back in late July 2018, CNN reported, Xi Jinping heads to Africa to clinch China's hold over the continent , and he did visit Senegal, Rwanda, South Africa and Mauritius.
Since you can't rust CNN ( Clinton National Network) either - at least not entirely, I had to double check that they were not doin' a lyin' Hillary on us all , so, I checked : List of international trips made by Xi Jinping - and there was no lying Hillary running for cover as she came under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia
The chutzpah of that first sentence was encouraging:
"President Xi Jinping of China, traveling to Africa for the first time in five years, pledged greater cooperation with South Africa to enhance the voice of poor nations, and commended developing countries for "shaking off the yoke of colonialism."
On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 20:14:29 UTC+2 Harrow, Kenneth wrote:
pretty great article in today's ny times.
is this part of the sign of the new global order to which mbembe had pointed?China Tries to Increase Its Clout in Africa Amid Rivalry With the U.S.
China's leader, Xi Jinping, pitches his country as a leader of the developing world, rallying support for an alternative to the U.S.-dominated global order.of South Africa in Pretoria on Tuesday.
By David Pierson and Lynsey Chutel
David Pierson reported from Hong Kong, and Lynsey Chutel from Johannesburg.
Aug. 23, 2023Updated 12:26 p.m. ETSign up for The Interpreter newsletter, for Times subscribers only. Original analysis on the week's biggest global stories, from columnist Amanda Taub.President Xi Jinping of China, traveling to Africa for the first time in five years, pledged greater cooperation with South Africa to enhance the voice of poor nations, and commended developing countries for "shaking off the yoke of colonialism."
His comments came at a meeting with the leaders of the BRICS, a club of emerging nations, where he also called for members to "accelerate" its expansion to serve as a counterweight to the West.
"At present, the Cold War mentality is lingering, and the geopolitical situation is grim," Mr. Xi said on Wednesday. The grouping, he continued, should "bring more countries into the BRICS family so as to pool our strength, pool our wisdom to make global governance more just and equitable."
On his visit to South Africa this week for the BRICS meetings, Mr. Xi has sought to cast himself as a leader of the developing world. Mr. Xi kicked off his four-day trip on Tuesday with a state visit and was received with an honor guard and a 21-gun salute.
That frustration has been driven in recent years by unfulfilled promises by developed countries to deliver Covid-19 vaccines to poorer countries and the feeling that not enough is being done about soaring food and energy prices.For China, the reception in Pretoria reinforced the message Beijing hopes to send to audiences both at home and abroad: that China's offer of an alternative to the U.S.-led global order has ample purchase outside the exclusive club of the developed countries. That has grown increasingly important to China. Its support for Russia and its aggressive posture on issues like the status of Taiwan, the self-governed island Beijing claims as its territory, has alienated it from countries in North America, Europe and Asia.
"For Xi, the goal is to try to discredit the West and show that there is an alternative out there," said Eric Olander, the chief editor of The China-Global South Project website. "He's trying to tap into this incredible well of grievance and frustration among many Global South countries over what they perceive as this massive duplicity and hypocrisy on the part of rich countries."
In a meeting with President Cyril Ramaphosa of South Africa on Tuesday, Mr. Xi said China and African countries should work more closely to address "changes and chaos" in the world — imagery Mr. Xi has used to describe intensifying competition from Washington.
Africa is an emerging battleground for global influence. Beijing has poured billions of dollars in loans, aid and investment in countries that have long been ignored by the West. The result of that outreach has been diplomatic support in international organizations like the United Nations and access to critical minerals needed to power growing industries like electric vehicles.
In more prosperous times, China's spending spree in Africa saw highways and dams spring up in many African countries. But these projects came with crippling debt in countries like Zambia and Angola, both of which owe billions of dollars to Chinese state-owned banks. While China has restructured bilateral debt with countries like Ethiopia and Zambia, analysts say this covered only a fraction of what is owed. (Other analysts note that African governments owe much more to Western creditors than China.)
But the main highlight of Mr. Xi's trip has been the summit in Johannesburg of the BRICS group of nations — named for its members, Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa — as Beijing seeks to increase its sway.
The Chinese leader took aim at the United States on Wednesday, while not mentioning it by name, calling on BRICS nations to "oppose decoupling and supply chain disruption" — a reference to the Biden administration's trade restrictions targeting China on national security grounds.
A day earlier, Mr. Xi warned of bloc confrontation and called on nations not to "sleepwalk into the abyss of a new cold war," in a speech that was read by China's commerce minister, Wang Wentao, for undisclosed reasons.
"Should we embrace prosperity, openness and inclusiveness, or allow hegemonic and bullying acts to throw us into depression?" the speech read.
By contrast, Mr. Xi portrayed China as a force for stability and pointed to vague, loftily worded initiatives around development and security that analysts say are aimed at weakening the spread of Western liberal values and the influence of forums like the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
In some ways, the summit in Johannesburg has taken on the characteristics of an official Chinese event, where media access is tightly controlled. Though hundreds of journalists attended the summit, only reporters with state-approved news outlets were permitted to enter the room where leaders gave their speeches.
A scheduled news briefing following the leaders' speeches on Wednesday was abruptly canceled. Mr. Ramaphosa said it was so that journalists could "go and rest." (Mr. Xi, it should be noted, is not the only BRICS leader who does not take questions from the media; Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India, too, rarely directly fields live questions from the press.)
The summit's official attendees do not come only from the group's five member countries. They include nations aligned with China, such as Iran, and others that profess nonalignment and are looking to hedge between Beijing and Washington, such as Indonesia and Saudi Arabia.
One major measure of success for Mr. Xi's visit will be if the grouping adds more members. China is in favor of expansion to increase the group's clout and, by extension, its own global standing. India and Brazil, on the other hand, are more reluctant to add members that might tilt the group more steadily toward China and make BRICS anti-Western.
At the meeting on Wednesday, the leaders sought to project a common position. Warnings against a return to the Cold War were a common refrain. Several leaders criticized the United Nations Security Council for what they described as its failures to bring an end to Russia's war in Ukraine — while avoiding any criticism of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, a BRICS leader, for the invasion.
Mr. Modi said he supported expansion through consensus. It remains to be seen whether the group can agree on what entry criteria new countries would need to meet.
President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil expressed support for a common BRICS currency to reduce the group's vulnerabilities to the dominance of the U.S. dollar in trade.
Mr. Putin, who spoke remotely over a video link because he is wanted for war crimes under a warrant issued by the International Criminal Court, again blamed Western countries for his war in Ukraine. He said Russia would assume chairmanship of BRICS next year and host a summit in the city of Kazan in October 2024.
South Africa, chafing against pressure from the West, has tried to stake the middle ground but has been pulled closer by China and Russia. It is also keen to position itself as a voice for emerging nations, especially those in Africa.
"We are grateful for the support and friendship that China has provided as we have worked to rebuild and transform our country after the devastation of apartheid," Mr. Ramaphosa told Mr. Xi as he greeted him on Tuesday.
South Africa is China's largest trading partner in Africa, and it serves as a key transit point for commodities exported from other countries on t he continent to China.
Beijing also maintains deep ties with Mr. Ramaphosa's African National Congress, even helping to establish an academy for young leaders. China has committed to helping South Africa repair its dilapidated national electricity grid and has had state energy companies visit South Africa during Mr. Xi's state visit.
Mr. Xi has received fawning coverage in the Chinese state media over the visit. But the outreach to Africa comes as China is grappling with a housing crisis and slowing economic growth, problems that could diminish how much Beijing can spend on foreign aid and development.
"China as a whole is running out of money, particularly foreign exchange," said Willy Lam, an analyst of Chinese politics who is a senior fellow at Jamestown Foundation, a research institute in Washington. "This has been a big impediment to Beijing's plans to extend its influence in the developing world."
Olivia Wang and Matthew Mpoke Bigg contributed reporting.
David Pierson covers Chinese foreign policy and China's economic and cultural engagement with the world. More about David Pierson
Lynsey Chutel covers Southern Africa from the Johannesburg bureau and also writes about Africa for The Times's international morning newsletters. She previously worked for Foreign Policy, Quartz and the Associated Press.
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dept of english
michigan state university
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