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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - It would seem that current Israeli Military doctrine identifies HAMAS as AMALEK
Al Jazeera: inside story
t.ly/6iAJU
"In Studio 1, P1 the following was just said by a former head of the Israeli security service: It is not possible to eradicate Hamas with military means because it is an ideology - which has created, among other things, a military organisation. The only way to defeat Hamaz is to replace their ideology with another - to offer a better life and hope for Palestinians - a two-state solution. The current government in Israel has just the opposite attitude - they mean that the more Palestinians suffer, the less they want Hamaz. They want to completely trample on the Palestinian people and instead bet on friendly relations with the Arab States around Israel to the extent they are willing to abandon the Palestinians. I think this former head of security is absolutely right." ( https://www.facebook.com/solweig.jansson.16
You have to give it to Professor Kenneth Harrow that so far he has been even-handed, as even-handed as he can be, without being accused of being an antisemite or a "self-hating Jew." - like some of the mamas and papas here: Jewry in West Africa ( The Anglo Jews. The Austrian Jews, God forbid.)
In the middle of the ongoing carnage, in the name of supremacist religiosity, some of the not so holy want to pontificate about "ethical relativity" - such unholy prattle!
UN Security Council Resolution 242 and 338 are still on the table and are still being ignored by the miscreants.
The oppressors and occupiers of other people's lands want to present themselves to the world as being "morally superior" to the people whose lands they have occupied and are still occupying: The lands of the defenceless people of Palestine whom they have been busy oppressing since 1967, after the ethnic cleansing known as The Nakba :
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
"enormous mass reprisals" has no sense of proportionality. Surely, David cannot reincarnate as Goliath or Führer or worse still the scandal-ridden Netanyahu , the leader of a coalition that has the world reputation of being the most extreme right-wing government that Israel has ever produced. Their "Bibi" as he is called by his fans, is now posing as the saviour of his people, even as he is being accused of trying to prevent Israel's Justice system so that he can steal more Palestinian land!
"enormous mass reprisals": The death toll in Gaza
To satisfy the bloodthirsty Israelis clamouring for revenge, the "enormous mass reprisals" being perpetrated on the besieged, long-suffering people of Gaza means Gaza latest i.e.
more deaths, more wilful murder of Palestinian civilians in the past three weeks, over 8,500 Palestinian civilians, mostly children, the elderly, and women, "enormous mass reprisals" continue to mean more deaths and the destruction of Gazan homes, hospitals, schools, mosques, and critical infrastructure and on top of all that cutting off Gaza's water supply, electricity, food delivery, medical supplies, bombing their hospitals, TV Stations etc
As an area man of Amnesty International, Professor Harrow is probably more aware of Israel's record of transgressions that are being committed in the occupied Palestinian territories, according to these reports 👍
Amnesty International: Israel and the Occupied Territories
Human Rights Watch : Israel and the Occupied Territories
Between the 7th of October and 24th of October, the Israeli military had already dropped more than 12,000 tons of explosives on the Gaza Strip -and this was before the more intensive bombing started. By now it must have surely exceeded 30,000 tons of bombs on little Gaza.
What's the logic behind "Meanwhile the captives are being held hostage, so israel has no real incentive to stop bombing" ?
Certain historical tragedies don't lend themselves to moral equivocation.I mostly am in agreement with cornelius here. Israel and gaza have traded rockets and artillery before. Hamas launched an unprecedented assault, committed enormous atrocities, and took 200 plus hostages.Israel's tactics in past conflicts, besides tit for tat, was to bludgeon gaza into submission.this hamas attack was too large, violent, and atrocious that simplebombings would be an appropriate answer, in israeli eyes. So they turned to enormous mass reprisals.You can't do this unless you've lost your moorings. In world war two, when the resistance weighed whether to kill a nazi soldier they had to decide whether it was worth it to risk enormous reprisals against the village. Here hamas did the unconscionable, as if the subsequent loss of palestinian lives were worth it, whatever "it" was.Israel responded as expected, with the world's opprobrium seeming to be irrelevant to their own local political beliefs, thus moving into the role of nazis when they slaughtered villages in response.Here the attacks on a civilian population constitute genocide, as were the hamas attacks. Only now the israeli killings are approaching 10 tens those of hamas.Wolves attacking wolves, homo homini lupus, uncivilized inhuman behavior.Meanwhile the captives are being held hostage, so israel has no real incentive to stop bombing, and hamas has awakened all the fury of the muslim world against the jews, something that has gone far beyond israel. I write these words from france, where more than 500 antisemitic incidents were reported as of two days ago, and where i read the people of dagestan attempted to attack people flying in from israel. In my home town a woman who had attended our synagogue was stabbed to death; a week earlier a 6 yr old palestinian child was stabbed to death in chicago.
Much that is ugly can be said about both sides. When we hear the attacks being launched against just one side, while the other is permitted to commit atrocities, we have to think there is more than the atrocities that is at play. Sabella said it well a few weeks ago: we can agree with the cause of an oppressed people—in this case palestinians—while not approving necessarily of all of its actions.
Those who approve of their actions must hate israelis and jews; and of course those who approve the israeli bombing must hate the arabs.I keep remembering the words of theprince of verona, after the deaths of romeo and juliet: all are punishèd.Ken
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Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 11:12:14 AM
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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - It would seem that current Israeli Military doctrine identifies HAMAS as AMALEKIt would seem that current Israeli Military doctrine identifies HAMAS as AMALEK
The death toll for Palestinians in Gaza has passed 8,000 — mostly women and minors.
There's a clear ethical meaning to be understood by chesed and pikuach nefesh, but two weeks ago the Israeli Ambassador to the UK said "There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza"
Since the relentless bombing of Gaza started, war crimes and the most extreme form of war crimes, namely GENOCIDE has been the word that's being used to describe what Israel's military has been perpetrating.
Yesterday, I wrote to the kindest and most humanitarian Israelite Jew that I know - a good friend of more than 45 years now, a man who espouses Ahimsa ,
I wrote to him,
"Shalom :
Everything is not fine with Israel and Gaza."
He replied:
"Of course it's saddening to see what happened and is still happening. I do hope Israel will succeed in getting rid of the problem, a huge one. Barbarians, sadists, antisemites. The sad thing is that they gain support from leftists who join them in their shouting "Death to the Jews! Destroy Israel! etc etc.". Antisemitism knows no political borders!"
I think there is only one way that one can understand the madness of man's inhumanity to man. I say "one" but to be absolutely sure let me instead since Israel will have to live with the consequences forever - there is only one way that I can understand this madness of man's inhumanity to man: It would seem that according to the current Israeli military doctrine HAMAS = AMALEK
What was Amaleks crime?
AMALEK : He did not fear God but attacked Israel from behind
The rabbis say that AMALEK arises in every generation and that according to God's command it is a divinely sanctioned duty to wipe Amalek off the surface of the earth
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