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From: 'Victor Okafor' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 5:14:29 PM
To: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>; usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Fwd: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Report: TB Joshua: Megachurch Leader Raped And Tortured Worshippers
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2024 5:14:29 PM
To: Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu>; usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Fwd: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Report: TB Joshua: Megachurch Leader Raped And Tortured Worshippers
Hello Prof, I must clarify that when I stated that "there are instances of fake miracles, and there are probably more fake ones than real ones" in my comment of January 9, 2024, I was not referring to a particular church. My reference to "the church" should be understood as a reference to places of religious worship in general across space and time. As for SCOAN in Lagos, let the records show that I consider it a true living church where provable and observable healings, as well as observable deliverances from demonic possessions, do happen, Sunday to Sunday. You are an internationally influential scholar, and I would really like you to pay a visit to SCOAN in Lagos during a Sunday worship session and bear witness to God's divine works.
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From: Victor Okafor <vokafor@emich.edu>
Date: Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Report: TB Joshua: Megachurch Leader Raped And Tortured Worshippers
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From: Victor Okafor <vokafor@emich.edu>
Date: Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Report: TB Joshua: Megachurch Leader Raped And Tortured Worshippers
To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Like all phenomena in the human experience, there are instances of fake miracles, and there are probably more fake ones than real ones as the church is not immune to sin. All human beings and all human entities are sinful. On the other hand, genuine miracles are provable through medical exams and reports, and tend to be attested to, on site, by the recipients in broad daylight. Often, all parties in attendance would see evidence of the pre-miracle situation and evidence of the post-miracle situation of the recipient.
On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:11 AM Toyin Falola <toyinfalola@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
--You are referring to miracles you can proof. Am I correct?
Suppose they are made up, as in many cases, is this not evil? A deliberate manufacture of the scripture to commit crime.
When next you see a blind person whose vision has been restored, let us all parade him as evidence, but what we know thus far is "I was told," "I heard."
Are there miracles? Yes, as science itself has confirmed, although they don't use the word miracle.
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Victor O. Okafor, Ph.D.
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Eastern Michigan University
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Food for Thought:
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Sincerely,
Victor O. Okafor, Ph.D.
Professor and Head
Department of Africology and African American Studies
Eastern Michigan University
Email: vokafor@emich.edu
Tel: 734.487.9594
Food for Thought:
"The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass
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