Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - The End of a Cycle: From Yasser Arafat to Yahya Sinwar: A Few Words

Any such "animal" as THE END of a Cycle, with wars involving the  "politics" of secular apostates, the politics of religious apostates, the politics of spiritual apostates, and the politics  

of intellectual spoststes??? Such warriors run like run-on sentences .,,.

Oohay

On Saturday, October 19, 2024, 1:54 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks.

I was referencing a cycle represented by some of the most prominent figures in the Palestinian struggle from the 20th century to the present, from Arafat to Sinwar, and in the Israeli/Arab conflict from the 20th century to now, Moshe Dayan and Menachem Begin to Netanyahu on the Israeli side and Sadat on the Arab side.

Other names could be invoked but those are the ones that came to my mind while writing.

Various cycles, conclusions and beginnings can be constructed from this story, from various vantage points.

The killing of Deif, Sinwar, Nasrallah and other Hamas,  Hezbollah and Iranian figures who have died since Oct 7, without a single loss to Israeli leadership amidst the devastation of Gaza and strikes  within Lebanon and Iran and the invasion of Lebanon indicates this as a high point in this crisis, an unprecedented juncture, for various reasons.

Israel's military and intelligence superiority is overwhelmingly demonstrated.

The situation, however, raises even more starkly than before, the ultimate significance of that military power.

Integration of Israel with its neighbors is possibly a dead dream for now, as Saudi Arabia, on the verge of entering into relations with Israel before October 7, is now described as insisting there will be no such relationship without the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Yet, the idea of a Palestinian state, run by Palestinians, as neighbours to Israel, seems to be anathema to the current Israeli govt school of thought.

The situation looks impossible.

Will the Palestinians give up the struggle for their own state?

If they give up, on what terms would they settle?

If they dont, how will the struggle continue?

Who will lead it?

Is there or will there be serious soul searching in Israel about the possibility of a life without constant need to strong arm the Palestinians and to be on guard against its other neighbours?

On what terms can such a rapprochement be reached?

Thanks 

Toyin

On Sat, Oct 19, 2024, 4:53 AM 'Dr. Oohay' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thanks (again). What I question: Your expression "The End of a Cycle" -- I suggest that the "end" of the cycle in your expression "The End of a Cycle" appears more as The Beginning of the End of the Cycle in question (rather than The END of a Cycle). In other words, the cycle in question has not ended; its end has yet yet to begin.

On Friday, October 18, 2024 at 05:46:35 PM CDT, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks 

Why the beginning of the end?

On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, 7:38 PM 'Dr. Oohay' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thanks for your prompt response. 

Perhaps, NOT "The End of a Cycle" but the beginning of the end of a cycle.

Oohay

On Friday, October 18, 2024, 12:46 PM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

The heroes of the Palestinians and the heroes of the Israelis.

Thanks 

Toyin 

On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, 6:34 PM 'Dr. Oohay' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Please identify the heroes in question in your "Our heroes" —WHOSE heroes?

Best wishes,

Oohay

On Friday, October 18, 2024, 11:58 AM, Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovdepoju@gmail.com> wrote:

The End of a Cycle: From Yasser Arafat to Yahya Sinwar 

Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju 

Yahya Sinwar is gone. Muhammad Deif is gone.Yasser Arafat is gone. Moshe Dayan is gone. Menachem Begin is gone. Golda Meir is gone. Anwar Sadat is gone. 

Our heroes are going. Many of them covered in the blood of others. 

All gone, in the struggle for that piece of land stamped with the aspirations of Abraham.

What next for Hamas, now that Deif and Sinwar have paid the ultimate price?

After the PLO came Fatah, after Fatah. Hamas.

Can Hamas continue the struggle for justice for the Palestinians?

Benjamin Netanyahu has secured his place in history as the man who fought back mercilessly against the Hamas/Hezbollah coalition, decapitating them, going a significant distance to cripple or destroy them, in the processes sending a deadly message to Iran.

Will the principle of force as the primary negotiating principle remain the primary pillar of Israel's survival in the Middle East?

I came to know of this awesome conflict through my father's TIME magazine and other texts, becoming acquainted with Israeli war hero Moshe Dayan, unmistakable in his eye patch, Israeli PM Menachem Begin, with his uniquely shaped head in advancing years, Israeli PM Golda Meir, looking like a military weapon in a woman's body, Palestinian liberation fighter Yasser Arafat and his distinguishing fedeyeh-Palestinian headband, elegant Anwar Sadat,, Egyptian President, caught unawares by his own soldiers marching past him in ceremonial procession.

Deif and Sinwar emerged after my father had departed to meet his Maker.

My own children have also grown up with the further unfolding of the story, as new actors emerge and depart the bloody stage.

Will their own children also grow up with the further unfolding of the narrative, now defined perhaps by those who survive the 2023-2024 Gaza nightmare, the descendants of those who inflicted it, the successors of those who executed the Oct 7 massacre in Israel and of those who have exacted an epic vengeance?

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