On Saturday, January 18, 2025, 8:54 AM, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelberg@gmail.com> wrote:
Dr Oohay,
From the point of view of Professor Wittgenstein, that should effectively shut down any further discussion about religion and "spirituality", shouldn't it? The neo-theo-logicians should all just shut up with their psycho-babble, shouldn't they? A veritable tower of babel / Babylon
What a relief that Hindu-ism does not have a problem with Krishna is blue
If the colourless God or the God of all the colours, the transcendent God above, below and beyond colours or the immanent Jesus should be black or blue, I don't care, I don't think that it ought to be a problem for yours truly and We the people who are darker than blue
Sure, it took since the first day of creation - the big bang - for us to get where we are right now. Back in the day, the lynching, the trials and tribulations during that long meta-linguistic transition to the ultimate destination "African American" we had Richard Pryor joking,
"What do you mean black? Baby I'm colored"
But, seriously, we're talking about the man in the street, the run-of-the-mill, the riff-raff, ogogoro rag-tag Owerri motor park palm-wine and cassava bread holy eucharist Christian who has previously been worshiping a White Christ and the sudden impact - the psychological damage that could have inerrantly been inflicted on the tender, believing mind of such a soul to be told that it has been CONFIRMED that Jesus is BLACK and that he now now has to transfer his centuries old loyalty from White Jesus looking down from the cross, looking a little like Graham Greene's Father Mackie) to another colour, to Black Jesus, a spitting image of Dr Oohay because it's Black MESSIAH time and Black Jesus is setting all the the black and white captives FREE
Pages 166 -177 cover a very lucid Bryan Magee in Conversation with Ninian Smart : Philosophy and Religion
Father of Night by Bob DylanFather of night, Father of day
Father, who taketh the darkness away
Father, who teacheth the bird to fly
Builder of rainbows up in the sky
Father of loneliness and pain
Father of love and Father of rain
Father of day, Father of night
Father of black, Father of white
Father, who build the mountain so high
Who shapeth the cloud up in the sky
Father of time, Father of dreams
Father, who turneth the rivers and streams
Father of grain, Father of wheat
Father of cold and Father of heat
Father of air and Father of trees
Who dwells in our hearts and our memories
Father of minutes, Father of days
Father of whom we most solemnly praise
On Saturday, 18 January 2025 at 07:23:37 UTC+1 Dr. Oohay wrote:Much ado about NOthing. Neither computational semiotics (or linguistics) can handle "impossible languages" in the domain of spirituality.OohayThe hullabaloo about this latest revelation, Elon Musk Reveals First Ever Real Image Of Jesus Christ faintly suggests that in historical time, Musk is the first person to ever do so whilst the fact is that the Russians - Vladimir Putin in particular beat him to it more than nine months ago and here are the screaming headlines ( at the time I thought that it was all so heavily political ,with Russia making so much headway in Burkina Faso, Mali, and Niger - basically Muslim territory, it was now time for the charm offensive to influence the African Christians with the idea that unlike "the impies"( missionary imperialists) Russians are not racists 👍
Putin's official speech on BLACK Jesus and Ethiopia
And moreover , what about the shroud of Turin ?
Jesus was White - maybe Aryan , pray the White Aryan Supremacists who must love quoting John "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us", well pleased with the idea that God became a White Man in the person of Lord and Saviour Jesus and that we must worship him.
"Hollywood Has Always Known That Jesus Was Black"
Black Power is also delighted with the idea that Jesus was Black !
"Jesus was a BLACK MAN born of a BLACK WOMAN"
Why all this fuss about what colour was or is Jesus?
In The Last Temptation of Christ we have Willem Dafoe( a White Man) starring as Jesus
Jesus Christ Superstar has Carl Anderson ( a Black man) starring as Judas Iscariot
How do Nigerian Pentecostal Pastors feel about Jesus as more properly speaking, Soul Brother Number One?
BTW, I imagine that if the much anticipated Jewish Moshiach were to turn out to be the darkest looking dude that ever appeared on this planet since Hashem the Almighty first made Adam - then I suspect (only a suspicion) that some of the pale-looking Ashkenazi in particular could be reluctant to accept him, perhaps on the reasonable or unreasonable, racist or anti-Semitic grounds that the Moshiach should at least come from the same genetic pool, by which they would be meaning - with intentionality , that the Moshiach should at least look like e.g. the late Shimon Peres or Ariel Sharon of recent, blessed memory…
But back to business:
If God is indeed the Father of Jesus then Jesus could have been any colour.
And if Mother Mary is or was indeed the Black Madonna - and God is / was indeed the Heavenly Father of Jesus, again it's possible that when it comes to skin colour, Jesus could have been of a dark complexion, just like his mother.
When it comes to context Jonas Gardell's book about Jesus provides a lot of interesting evidence and plausible conjecture.
https://www.google.de/search?q=Jonas+Gardell+%3A+Jesus&
If the book is ever translated into English it would be an overnight bestseller.
https://signum.se/artikelarkiv/drom-och-verklighet-i-jonas-gardells-jesusbild/
Author :
About JesusSwedish
2009-03-18
Published by: Norstedts
Most skeletons found from the time Jesus lived show a lack of iron and protein. Skulls of forty-year-old people often have few or no teeth left. Life was hard and people died young. Only a minority lived to see their twenty-fifth birthday.
We like to imagine Jesus' gentle, loving smile.
Now add that the smile was probably toothless and we probably get a slightly fairer picture.
Can we imagine Jesus toothless? Can we imagine him uneducated? Very little of our ideas about Jesus Christ match the historical Jesus of Nazareth.
A Jesus Christ rises before us as a king to judge the living and the dead. At the same time, another figure flees into the shadows. A short, dark-skinned man who has aged prematurely from poverty and wandering. A simple craftsman from the Galilean countryside who the authorities had executed as a preventive measure. A man who spread the message of the kingdom of God.
Exciting? This is just the beginning! Join Jonas Gardell on a harrowing search for Jesus.
All royalties from this book go directly to the Jonas Gardell Foundation and Mark Levengood Children's Fund.
Read more
E-book (2009)
On Friday, 17 January 2025 at 11:52:50 UTC+1 Dr. Oohay wrote:Seriously and practically speaking, there AIN'T no necessary 1:1 relationship between SIGNIFIERS and SIGNFIEDS. In other words, "meaning" (of course) "exists" but it never exists "contextlessly": no context-free claim; every context has its own context(s). There AIN'T no a priori relationship between (for example) being "black" or "brown" or "white" AND having a "black" or "brown" or "white" voice (or identity). In short, "semantics" AIN'T inherent in "physics".OohayOn Thursday, January 16, 2025, 6:55 PM, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
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