Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - News Release: President Obama On “Ending The War In Irag"

Chuma,

Re: "black president." Nowhere do I state that Obama promised to be a
black president. I stated that Obama, like all other American
presidents serve the interests of elite white male supremacy. They
have rarely served the interests of Americans generally and rarer
still African Americans.

Re: "the art of the possible." Black/Afrikan people have been making
history long before Barack Obama came along:

I will take Patrice Lumumba or David Walker or Maria Stewart or Yaa
Asantewaa or

Queen Nzinga or

Fred Hampton or

Jean-Jacques Dessalines or

Fred Hampton or Malcolm X or

Osagyefo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah over Barack Obama any day of the week. kzs

On Aug 24, 4:28 pm, Chuma Nwokolo <ch...@nwokolo.com> wrote:
> > Kwame,
>
> > Obama probably made his greatest contribution to the African-American
> > cause on the day of his inauguration simply by demonstrating the art
> > of the possible. If he promised to be a 'Black' president, it was
> > probably an emotional subtext to his American oath of office which I
> > did not catch.
>
> > I won't be railroaded into a defence of an Obama who declared war on
> > Washington lobbyists, but he became president because he appealed to a
> > majority of Americans, NOT to a constituency of African-Americans, and
> > in order to succeed, he must be critiqued and held to account as
> > robustly as every other American president before him.
>
> > The object lesson of Patrice Lumumba and Thomas Sankara suggests that
> > - for a radical leader - having saddled up the tiger of realpolitik,
> > there is an art to staying on board. Those who lurk far from the
> > rampaging tiger should not sneer at the lambs fed to the beast to keep
> > it from savaging its rider.
>
> > Make no mistake, Obama lost an opportunity to fundamentally
> > restructure America on the back of the recession. But then the
> > restructuring was probably in the order of a latter-day Perestroika;
> > and there is nothing about the project of dismantling the historic
> > injustices of American Hegemony that suggests a more sanguine outcome
> > than the first Perestroika.
>
> > Chuma Nwokolo
>
> > On 24/08/2010 00:11, kwame zulu shabazz wrote:
> >> Chuma,
>
> >> You stated thus:
>
> >> //he [Obama] is after all an American president, the birthplace of a
> >> parent
> >> notwithstanding. He has the interests of his 300 million needy
> >> citizens
> >> to sort. - and there is no shortage of opinions within that citizenry
> >> as
> >> to how best to secure their interests.//
>
> >> Actually American presidents protect the interests of white wealthy
> >> elites. That was true in 1776 and it is true in 2010. African
> >> Americans were legally second citizens from 1619 to the 1970s.
> >> American presidents have almost never served the interests of black
> >> Americans. Rare exceptions were Reconstruction and the Civil Rights
> >> Revolution. If you are unclear about how African American are treated,
> >> you can go and have a look at the population of any American prison.
> >> The condition of Native Americans on Indian reservations is even
> >> worse. kzs
>
> >> On Aug 22, 8:31 pm, Chuma Nwokolo<ch...@nwokolo.com>  wrote:
> >>>    You have a point, Helen,
> >>> Many commentators forget that Obama works for the US, not the UN. He is
> >>> after all an American president, the birthplace of a parent
> >>> notwithstanding. He has the interests of his 300 million needy citizens
> >>> to sort. - and there is no shortage of opinions within that citizenry as
> >>> to how best to secure their interests. In that maelstorm of ideas, the
> >>> interests of other nations and peoples will not necessarily have a fair
> >>> shake.
> >>> Obama has the additional problem of inspiring unrealistic expectations,
> >>> but the rest of the world has to learn to work out their own salvations,
> >>> and not wait for the 4-yearly shuffling of the deck in Washington.
>
> >>> Chuma Nwokolo
>
> >>> On 22/08/2010 23:39, helen lauer wrote:
>
> >>>> How can you blame US foreign policy--which has demonstrated the same
> >>>> jaw dropping viciousness and irresponsibility since the 1970s--look at
> >>>> Angola, look at Nicaragua to name but two shameful examples on
> >>>> different continents since the Vietnam debacle--on ONE MAN???? More
> >>>> importantly, / why /demonize the current president?  This experiment
> >>>> called USA is going down the tubes very fast, I give the whole mess
> >>>> another fifty years at the outside, and pray for minimal damage
> >>>> elsewhere as it crumbles.  Obama didn't cause this, it's a miracle he
> >>>> could revive and manifest the dream of what America has never been but
> >>>> was always hoped to be--for even five minutes. How about those ten
> >>>> minutes where he articulated the notion of freedom of religion and
> >>>> protection of what we stand for?  The very bill of rights has been
> >>>> lost on Americans for forty years, it's true; is that his fault? The
> >>>> country has been rabidly pre-fascist since the time of Reagan--Reagan
> >>>> got voted in /twice, /through no fault of his own.  That is what
> >>>> America stands for today. Why fall for the ad hominems?  That paves
> >>>> the way to Palin.  You're welcome to her.
> >>>> Helen Lauer
> >>>> University of Ghana, Legon
> >>>> *From:* Wassa Fatti<wassafa...@hotmail.com>
> >>>> *To:*usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> >>>> *Sent:* Fri, August 20, 2010 12:13:14 PM
> >>>> *Subject:* RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - News Release: President
> >>>> Obama On �Ending The War In Irag"
> >>>> Contrary to the truth is that the US is replacing combat troops with
> >>>> civilian mercenaries called 'contractors' in Iraq. These are nothing
> >>>> but hired civilians killers. The other truth Black folks are not ready
> >>>> to accept is the fact that Obama has turn out to be more disappointing
> >>>> and more sinister than George Bush. Obama has become the best tool at
> >>>> the helm of US imperialism killing darker skins  in none European
> >>>> societies. The Iraq war has been privatised since the US has
> >>>> discovered oil and gas in Northern Afghanistan, the withdrawn troops
> >>>> from Iraq will be more useful in the covert colonisation (control) of
> >>>> Afghan natural resources. Let us not be fooled again. Obama is
> >>>> disgrace to say the least.
> >>>>> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:22:16 -0700
> >>>>> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - News Release: President Obama
> >>>> On �Ending The War In Irag"
> >>>>> From:chidi.op...@gmail.com
> >>>>> To:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> Shortly after taking office, I put forward a plan to end the war in
> >>>>> Iraq responsibly. Today, I'm pleased to report that, thanks to the
> >>>>> extraordinary service of our troops and civilians in Iraq, our combat
> >>>>> mission will end this month, and we will complete a substantial
> >>>>> drawdown of our troops....................Continue reading on:
> >>>>http://chidioparareports.blogspot.com/2010/08/news-release-president-...
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