Friday, March 4, 2011

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: What says the African Union about Colonel al-Gaddafi and current events in Libya?

(Keeping it short) :

"pigmentationally diverse" ( Dr. Gloria) … "Pigmentational
diversity"?... sounds like a very descriptive sociological term that
should pass into the mainstream...

Re - Rhat 7th century "remarkable breakthrough in race relations" and
the risk that Brother Obama would be taking about being re-elected, by
nailing a Black Madonna or a Monica on the wall of the Oval office
right now, in this 21st Century....

It's the same kind of risk that the most senior Cardinal Francis
Arinze or Cardinal Dominic Ekandem or Cardinal Anthony Olubunmi
Okogie might be taking by having a Black Christ on display on their
walls, as personal saviour. Then no matter how sincerely those three
gentlemen would sing " Gloria in excelsis Deo" they might also have
diminished chances with the Papal Conclave, of ever being elected
winner of the Papal Crown, if they did that .

Their painting Jesus Christ Black would be the equivalent of Brother
Obama painting the White House Black....

"Now the OIC is a regional organization not an
ethnic one and even the term 'Arab' is used opportunistically
to refer to ethnicity, cultural affiliation and/ or religious
affiliation.
So joining the 'Arab League is really not such a big deal." (Dr.
Gloria Emeagwali)

And now I've heard everything.
Not such a big deal?
The Arab League has its aims and interests. It is also a political
organization which could wield even greater power, if you and I and
Ogugua Anunoby under Northern Fulani leadership joined it....

Hopefully, you might after all like this song:
http://www.google.se/search?q=Bert+Jansch+%3A+ramblings+going+to+be+the+death+of+me


On Mar 4, 4:32 pm, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)"
<emeagw...@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
> It's always good to get stuff off one's chest, so to speak.
>
> A little rambling helps in that regard.
>
> Now the OIC is a regional organization not an
>
> ethnic one and even the term 'Arab' is used opportunistically
>
> to refer to ethnicity, cultural affiliation and/ or religious affiliation.
>
> So joining the 'Arab League is really not such a big deal.
>
> 'Do the arabs think they are white?'
>
> That depends. Some probably do although ethnic Arabs seem
>
> to be  pigmentationally diverse-   and, let us not mix up the Arabs
>
> and the Turks who colonized them, and against whom some
>
> fought in nationalist movements - in defiance of British collusion with
>
> Turkish elites.
>
> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a
> non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white
> has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over
> white except by piety and good action. ....."
>
> This can be also interpreted as a  remarkable breakthrough in
>
> race relations - in the 7th century.   Interesting to note that
>
> the Nigerian  Maitatsine, Muslim, activists of  the 1980s
>
>  considered that ' Mohammed was only an Arab.'
>
> Speaking about slavery,  Christians and  Muslims  were deeply
>
>  implicated in enslavement at various levels, and in diverse
>
> circumstances, so it is difficult to target one group or the other.
>
> "Anyone who says that Muhammed is
> Black, is killed"
>
> Let's put it this way. Should President Obama  put a painting of a
>
> Black Christ on his wall right now, he may not be around for
>
> campaign 2012. But then again the Igbos you speak of  would
>
> not  place a Black Christ either. Heck, the only people who dared to do it
>
> thus far are the Ethiopians. (I saw numerous portrayals of a
>
> Black Christ in the  churches of  Lalibela as indicated in
>
> www.esnips.com/web/GloriaEmeagwali<http://www.esnips.com/web/GloriaEmeagwali>)
>
> Dr. Gloria Emeagwaliwww.africahistory.netwww.esnips.com/web/GloriaEmeagwali
> ________________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cornelius Hamelberg [corneliushamelb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 7:55 AM
> To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: What says the African Union about Colonel al-Gaddafi and current events in Libya?
>
> Re - ...."for most Arabs Islam and
> Islamic identity supersedes any other criteria."
> "....And Islam is also an identity marker for about 50% of
> the African population." So....?
>
> Dear Professor Gloria Emeagwali in excelsis,
>
> What follows is what for me are some of the implications from your
> question. Sorry about the links. I crave your indulgence just this
> once. I assure you that I am not being dead serious. The links are
> only meant as information-sharing relevant to the cause, not a paucity
> of my own knowing or thinking or powers of expression. Or meant to get
> in the way. If I had the time and inclination I'd footnote some of
> what I say, in another way.....
>
> A question that sometimes bothers me is, do the Arabs then think that
> they are White ? Or, what colour?
>
> I'm not "just kidding.".At this point in time, I don't  even know if
> Morocco which  does not want to be  part of the African Union  is
> still serious about their ambition to  join the EU.
>
> This could have some implications for  the whole idea of Eurabia:
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Eurabia
>
> Last night I was at a little dinner party and a half famous journalist
> who  I had not met before and who has been reporting from Africa,
> rushed at me to ask me "Where do you come from?"
>
> I almost told him, " From your mother's - --ä"
>
> These people!!!  Not, "Hi Mr X, I'm so and so , nice weather, nice to
> meet you, what's your name ?", but  live and direct, first question
> "Where are you from?"  Hej,  I know a nigger from Uganda.
>
>  By which some a them mean, You know one nigger you know them all.
>
>  Where do you come from? My only regret is that I didn't tell him "
> Planet of the monkeys".
>
> But that would have ruined the party....We shall overcome. The White
> man knows, we're coming
>
> Back to your question:
>
> So, by the time the remaining 50% of the African population has been
> Islam-ized, the rest of Africa will join the Arab League. QED.
>
> But even if 100% of Africa converted to al-Islam, I don't know about
> my good friends the Igbos, but one thing that I'm sure of  is that not
> every Hon. Yoruba Man will join the Arab League.
>
> Today, apart from the nations that constitute the Arab League, the
> following African countries belong to the OIC (Organisation of Islamic
> Conference ):
>
> Benin
>
> Burkina Faso
>
> Cameroon
>
> Chad
>
> Comoros
>
> Côte d'Ivoire
>
> Djibouti
>
> Gabon
>
> Gambia
>
> Guinea
>
> Guinea-Bissau
>
> Mali
>
> Mauritania
>
> Mozambique
>
> Niger
>
> Nigeria
>
> Senegal
>
> Sierra Leone
>
> Somalia
>
> Sudan
>
> Togo
>
> Uganda
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Organisation+of+Islamic+Co...
>
> Interesting to compare the OIC countries with the Africa Union
> countries.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=African+Union+Countries
>
> As I've already  told you, even if  my old hero Sheikh Osman Dan Fodio
> and all of his descendants and 100% of Africa & Africans converted to
> al-Islam, I don't know about my good friends the Igbos, but I'm sure
> that not every Hon. Yoruba Man would join the Arab League.
>
> Question for you: Why do you think that in his last sermon to his
> Muslim followers, the Prophet of Islam, salallahu alaihi wa salaam,
> thought it necessary to say ,
>
> "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a
> non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white
> has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over
> white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a
> brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one
> brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to
> a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not,
> therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
>
> Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you
> will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of
> righteousness after I am gone."
>
> He had to draw particular attention to these aspects of life lived by
> Muslims in the prevailing conditions of his own life time because,
> obviously there must have been certain racist/ racial currents of
> feeling among some of his disciples who may have considered themselves
> White and superior to those they considered Black and inferior – and
> Vice-versa.
> We cannot divorce ourselves from the history of racism – and of modern
> world slavery of which Professor Toyin Falola has written so much –
> and I'm still reading him. We cannot  dis-count  the history of the
> USA, and we certainly cannot overlook or neglect to look at the past
> 1,500 years history of Islam and of pre-Islamic  Arab slavery which is
> even mentioned in the Bible : Genesis 37, 23-28  which records Joseph
> being sold to Ishmaelites  (Arabs):
>
> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Genesis37.html
>
> In his, "The Destruction of Black Civilization" Chancellor Williams
> claims that the Black man arrived in the Hijaz  in the same way that
> he arrived in North America in large numbers: Through slavery. The
> history of Islam's first Muezzin, Bilal ibn Rabah al-Habashi– with
> whom many African converts to Islam tend to identify,  is  a well
> documented  history - I've read his autobiography. Even after being
> freed from slavery he continues to refer to himself in terms of utter,
> abject humility.
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Bilal+(+Islam's+first+Muezzin
>
> Africa: Arabs, slavery and Islam:
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=Africa%3A+Arabs%2C...
>
> The slave revolt in Basra ( Southern Iraq) is well documented  and
> I've met some of their dark-skinned descendants who are today fervent
> adherents of Shia Islam and we've talked about it.
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Slave+Revolt+in+Basra
>
> There are even a few famous paintings depicting White women from
> places like Turkey being auctioned in the slave market in Cairo  where
> they fetched a good price, as as late as the end of the 19th
> century.....:
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=White+women+sold+in+slave+...
>
> The institution of slavery in North America and the Caribbean did not
> only create a sense of colour hierarchy  in those parts of the world.
> (""If you're white, you're right. If you're brown, stick around. If
> you're black, get way back". ) This also happened in the early
> heartland of Islam and North Africa. In more  recent times the
> controversy as to whether the Prophet of Islam was black, has
> persisted. It once got to the point a few centuries ago, when a n
> Islamic ruler issued an edict: "Anyone who says that Muhammed is
> Black, is killed"  - Not "will be killed", but  "is killed" - that's
> instantaneity for you. What is at stake is not only the possibility of
> historical truth being distorted but also for the racists, the
> ultimate insult would be be that it was thought that he was Black....:
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Anyone+who+says+that+Muham...
>
> Black as a metaphor in the Qur'an tells a story.  Consider the day of
> Judgement:
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Quran+:on+that+day+their+f...
>
> For me the question of which colour was the prophet of Islam ,
> salallahu alaihi wa salaam is easily answered.  Under the hot Arabian
> sun at Khum e-Ghadir, there are several reports :
>
> http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=Could+see+the+white+under+...
>
> I should just like to add that in my personal experience of Arabs (men
> and women) I have never encountered racism. When I say Arabs, I mean
> Arabs, not Iranians or Turks or Pakistanis.
>
> I am aware that Arabs are very happy and proud about the fact that the
> Prophet of Islam was Arab. And that the Qur'an was revealed in the ...
>
> read more »

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