Saturday, August 27, 2011

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Congressman Dennis Kucinick on Libya

As I write this, Western governments are wasting no time curving up Libya's wealth. Sky news this morning had a panel discuss British  business opportunities- the vulgarity of it all . never mind the ongoing human slaughter of NATO forces, Ghadafi loyalists and the rebels. The streets and hospitals are strewn with decaying human bodies and the summarily executions of human beings are secondary to discussions of the stupendous wealth that is to be had from this deliberate and well planned carnage. I cry for the people of Libya. I cry for Africa and for all the condemned and disposable people of the world.

Lily.

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Jaye Gaskia <ogbegbe@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes indeed the Libyan problem is an African problem, just as it is equally an Arab problem, a Middle east problem, and most significantly, a problem for all struggling humanity.
That some africans chose not to see the global human dimension of the problem in the sense of oppressed humanity fighting for liberation and emancipation is sad indeed.
That some africans chose to see only imperialism and NATO, and not oppressive dictatorship and the immense majority of an oppressed nation in rebellion is not only an intellectual bankrupty, but it is also intellectual nepotism.
Was the Libyan regime qualitatively different from the Tunisian, Egyptian or Syrian regime that it should merit such exceptional treatment? Excepting the fact of NATO's direct intervention, is the Libyan uprising qualitatively different from the other uprisings of which it is a part? Is the Libyan uprising less worthy of our international solidarity [and i speak of all those who are against the current unjust nature of global relations of power between countries and within countries] than those of their neighbours simply because their own dictator is Gaddaffi and not Mubarak?
Why in the face of all that has been revealed, not by the western media, but by the regime itself, should anyone still consider the Gadaffi regime anything but a dynastic autocracy living off parasitically on the common wealth of the Libyan people?
How did we come to this pass, that at a period, when great monumental historic processes of change are being undertaken by ordinary people, we chose to self limit ourselves to an absolutisation of imperialist manouvers and on that basis isolate and leave historic uprisings to their own devices?
It seems to me that the characterisation of regimes and systems over which they preside should be based on the concrete expression of the actions and inactions of such a regime, and not on the revolutionary pretentions of its leader or supreme leader.
And let us turn to Nigeria, like humanity elsewhere on the globe, we have, we are, and we will fight off our misrulers; and while we will not accept imperialist help, we will not cease our struggle, simply because imperialism in response to our uprising begins to describe our leaders in the terms as we are describing them.
Regards,
Jaye Gaskia

From: "Dompere, Kofi Kissi" <kdompere@Howard.edu>
To: "'usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com'" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Congressman Dennis Kucinick on Libya

That Libya problem is an African problem is unquestionable! That other Africans in this forum do not see it that way is sad!! That other Africans do not see the Western
neocolonial ambitions is an intellectual bankruptcy and pitiful!!! That other Africans do not see the evil of NATO as a robber is equally sad and pitiful!!!! That other Africans do not see that the next armed robbery will take place  in Nigeria is spiritually bankrupt!!!!!
This intensification of the neocolonial ambitions by the Western imperial club with institutional support by The UN, The World Bank, The IMF and others is just beginning.
May peace rest in justice.
KOFI

From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of omosunsly@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Congressman Dennis Kucinick on Libya

Libya problem is Africa problem. It just beginning
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From: lily owusu-darkwa <lily.odarkwa@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:10:35 -0400
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Congressman Dennis Kucinick on Libya

Please read Congressman Dennis Kucinick on NATO's intervention. He raises pertinent and difficult questions that those who called for this invasion must be able to answer. I particularly like the last line, "can you imagine what the people of Libya will get?"
Lily.


US lawmaker: NATO must account for Libyan deaths
http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2011/08/23/kucinich-on-nato-in-libya-gangsterism/
As much of the world celebrated the apparent fall of Libya's Col. Gaddafi, Kucinich on Tuesday released a statement calling for NATO commanders to be hauled before the International Criminal Court.

"If members of the Gaddafi Regime are to be held accountable, NATO's top commanders must also be held accountable through the International Criminal Court for all civilian deaths resulting from bombing," said the seven-term Cleveland congressman.

"Otherwise, we will have witnessed the triumph of a new international gangsterism."

Kucinich delivered a spirited defense of the dictator's foreign policy while claiming he does not "sympathize with Colonel Gaddafi's brutality."  He also seemed to blame foreign investment for social conditions that led to the anti-Gaddafi rebellion.

"On December 19, 2003, Libya voluntarily gave up its nuclear weapon-making capability and on January 6, 2004 ratified the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty," he wrote.  "Its relationship with the US on the mend, Libya then opened up to international investment and began the wholesale privatization of its industries, leading to massive unemployment and dissatisfaction with the state of things, particularly among younger Libyans."

Kucinich charged that the U.S. and its NATO allies "deliberately avoided" a negotiated settlement with Gadaffi's regime and "illegally pursued regime change."

"NATO chose sides, intervened in a civil war and morphed into the air force for the rebels, who could not have succeeded but for NATO's attacks," he added.

Kucinich is likely to lose his seat as Ohio downsizes by two congressional districts.

He has been a constant visitor to Washington, lately delivering a New Age-style speech to Hempfest and talking populist to the Washington State Labor Council's annual convention.

But Kucinich has also found time to visit Syria, talking with that country's embattled dictator President Assad.

In March, Kucinich suggested that President Obama was committing "an impeachable offense" by authorizing air strikes on Libya.

Kucinich had earlier called for impeachment investigations against President Bush and Vice President Cheney.  In his latest statement, he deploys against Obama the same hyperbole used on his Republican predecessor:

"As the Administration indulges itself with wars in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan — spending hundreds of billions of dollars on military adventurism — the United States has massive economic problems at home," he said.

"The Amerian people get myths, rhetoric and unemployment while war profiteers get the gold.  Can you imagine what the people of Libya will get."


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