Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Religious Intolerance and Islamic Extremists

dear segun
where is your source that states that the religious zealots crucified jesus? he was crucified by the roman soldiers;
i have the absolute source: wikipedia. here is their account. is it incorrect?

The crucifixion of Jesus is an event that occurred during the 1st century AD. Jesus, who Christians believe is the Son of God as well as the Messiah, was arrested, tried, and sentenced by Pontius Pilate to be scourged, and finally executed on a cross. Collectively referred to as the Passion, Jesus' redemptive suffering and death by crucifixion represent the central aspects of Christian theology, including the doctrines of salvation and atonement.

Jesus' crucifixion is described in all four Canonical gospels, attested to by other ancient sources, and regarded as a historical event confirmed by non-Christian sources.^{[1][2][3][4][5]} Christians believe Jesus' suffering was foretold in the Hebrew Bible, such as in Psalm 22, and Isaiah's songs of the suffering servant.^[6] According to a Gospel Harmony, Jesus was arrested in Gethsemane following the Last Supper with the Twelve Apostles, and forced to stand trial before a Sanhedrin, Pontius Pilate, and Herod Antipas, before being handed over for crucifixion. After being flogged, Jesus was mocked by Roman soldiers as the "King of the Jews", clothed in a purple robe, crowned with thorns, beaten and spat on. Jesus then had to make his way to the place of his crucifixion.

Once at Golgotha, Jesus was offered wine mixed with gall to drink. Matthew's and Mark's Gospels record that he refused this. He was then crucified and hung between two convicted thieves. According to Mark's Gospel, he endured the torment of crucifixion for some six hours from the third hour, at approximately 9 am,^[7] until his death at the ninth hour, corresponding to about 3 pm.^[8] The soldiers affixed a sign above his head stating "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews" in three languages, divided his garments and cast lots for his seamless robe. The Roman soldiers did not break Jesus' legs, as they did to the other two men crucified (breaking the legs hastened the crucifixion process), as Jesus was dead already. Each gospel has its own account of Jesus' last words, seven statements altogether.^[9] In the Synoptic Gospels, various supernatural events accompany the crucifixion, including darkness, an earthquake, and (in Matthew) the resurrection of saints. Following Jesus' death, his body was removed from the cross by Joseph of Arimathea and buried in a rock-hewn tomb, with Nicodemus assisting. According to the Gospels, Jesus then rose from the dead two days later (the "third day").

there were no jewish soldiers, only roman ones who carried out the crucifixion.
ken

On 9/30/12 12:19 PM, Segun wrote:

Ayo;

Yes, it was a form of capital punishment introduced by the Romans but it was not the Romans who crucified Jesus. The religious zealots among the Jews did the wicked act. 

As a matter of fact Pontus Pilate did not find Jesus guilty because he was not found to have violated the Roman laws. But the Jews said crucify him and he handed over Jesus to them because his accusers were bent of getting rid of him by means of crucifixion. 

Segun 

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On Sep 29, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Ayo Obe <ayo.m.o.obe@gmail.com> wrote:

Even the Pope has admitted that it wasn't the fault of the Jews.  Crucifixion was a peculiarly Roman form of punishment.  

Ayo

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On 29 Sep 2012, at 14:10, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

who did the crucifying? do you realize that by stating the jews crucified christ you unleash attacks on jews?
maybe this is something only jews really care about. i clearly remember from my youth the verbal assault on us jewish kids as christkillers when we walked past the neighborhood parochial school. it is a label used to justify attacking jews across the centuries.
what strikes me is how easily this slander passes through the lips of those evoking the death of jesus, a period in which the romans ruled over palestine  and crushed jewish revolt twice.
i taught western humanities for many years, and at one point taught chaucer's prioress's tale. here is the wiki synopsis. when you read it, when you realize how jews were attacked across the centuries in europe for having killed christ, you might understand why i reacted to the words that the jews crucified christ:

The Prioress's Tale:
The story begins with an invocation to the Virgin Mary, then sets the scene in Asia, where a community of Jews live in a Christian city. A seven-year-old school-boy, son of a widow, is brought up to revere Mary. He teaches himself the first verse of the popular Medieval hymn 'Alma Redemptoris Mater' ("Nurturing Mother of the Redeemer"); though he does not understand the words, an older classmate tells him it is about Mary. He begins to sing it every day as he walks to school through the Jews' street.

Satan, 'That hath in Jewes' heart his waspe's nest', incites the Jews to murder the child and throw his body on a dungheap. His mother searches for him and eventually finds his body, which begins miraculously to sing the 'Alma Redemptoris'. The Christians call in the provost of the city, who has the Jews drawn by wild horses and then hanged. The boy continues to sing throughout his burial service until the holy abbot of the community asks him why he is able to sing. He replies that although his throat is cut, he has had a vision in which Mary laid a grain on his tongue and he will keep singing until it is removed. The abbot removes the grain and he dies.

ken

On 9/29/12 7:11 AM, dasylvang@yahoo.com wrote:

It was the Roman colonial government that was in power then, but the complainants were indeed "Judaism zealots" led by the High/chief  priest and other judaism clerics who were intolerant of the new order that Jesus went about teaching: "to fear and obey God, to have a forgiving spirit, to love one's neighbor as one's self, to pursue holy living, to know the Truth and be set free by the Truth, and finally, to care for the needy." The intolerant  religious extremists went as far as hiring a crowd to prevail on the Roman judicary to crucify Jesus the Christ. 

So Segun was perfectly in order.

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i thought jesus was crucified by the romans
ken

On 9/28/12 11:44 AM, Segun wrote:
> I have pondered very deeply on religious intolerance in recent time which is not a new phenomenon. What is new is the unnecessary killings that the world has witnessed in the last twenty years particularly the Islamic extremism with violence in several parts of the world.
> Religious intolerance is a symptom of religious arrogance that has its historical antecedence documented in the historical background of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Jesus the Christ  was crucified by the zealots of Judaism. When Christianity became a dominant religion in Western Europe, their followers became intolerant of any form of criticisms. The Bible was held sacred and anyone who dare to criticize its teachings or doctrines would have himself to blame. Galileo who, from his scientific knowledge, gave a contrary view about the universe was put in inquisition by the Church where he died. I am aware that Pope John Paul apologized for that extremist practice of the Church at that time but the damage cannot be completely assuaged.
> The history of Islam manifested that sense of intolerance when Prophet Muhammad felt that the traditional religion of his people was idolatrous. His religious arrogance was challenged by his people and he had to run to Medina for safety. If he had not run for safety in Medina his people would probably have killed him and there would not have been any religion called Islam. The intolerance of his people and his intolerance of other faiths subsequently became part of the canon of Islam he founded. His Jihad and the call to eliminate infidels is the height of his religious intolerance.
> If Prophet Muhammad criticized the religious beliefs of his people why should Islam not be criticized?
> Christian missionaries came to Africa and in many ways showed their intolerance for the indigenous religious beliefs and practices. As a matter of fact  indigenous religion was given derogatory names and terminologies. Some of them called the indigenous religion of Africans primitive, idolatry, paganism etc. In spite of these insults on the holy order of traditional Africans the Church have not been attached by the people whose religion they have desecrated.
> Muslims from time to time have poured invectives on traditionalists. They are labeled as infidels and yet no Muslims have been killed or their property destroyed. Now, why is it that the Muslims feel offended when they are criticized or their religion is ridiculed by others? They have no reason to be upset to the point of killing innocent people who have nothing to do with a film or magazine produced in the US or France.
> Knowledge comes from self evaluation and criticisms from others. They are challenges that should not be ignored. Religious beliefs have to be subjected to criticisms or even ridicule and when  critics are tired of their blasphemous and provocative statements they will give up the "fight".
> Let us allow freedom of speech and expression to thrive because that is one of the cornerstones of knowledge and development.
> Muslims must learn to wear the mantle of tolerance and embrace dialogue in any seeming provocations from any part of the global village.
> Segun Ogungbemi.
>
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