This one's from 9-2 :
On Saturday, 7 September 2013 18:04:42 UTC+2, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
Quote of the Day?
"forget the red line. It is only Netanyahoo-speak for idiots.
Obama's plans to bomb Syria are war crimes. The logic is insane
-- one pile of dead bodies from chemical weapons will be replaced
with a second pile of dead bodies from Obama's bombs." RMDC
Cited in RSN
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From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com [usaafric...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow [har...@msu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:43 AM
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Dennis Kucinich
hi gloria
the last thing on earth i want to do is pretend to any authoritative
knowledge or research on the truth of the situation. unlike some others
i read the major press and evaluate what seems credible, i read columns
by people who seem credible, and form an opinion on that.
i am not a middle east specialist. i like some, like juan cole. i
generally trust the left commentators.... that's it.
i read le monde and liberation over the summer, and their reports,
generally coming from a left perspective, represented assad's attacks on
civilians in syria, as devastating. they represented a worse picture
than did the ny times. so did bbc, and the guardian.
that's it
this is not a case of iraq, of wmd, none of that. for me, the world, or
just us, can't stand by silently while 120,000 people have been killed,
and more every day. 5 million refugees. meaning more and more not
getting medicine, food, water. this should not be allowed to continue.
and i could repeat these words, with different numbers, in the drc,
which the world has truly forgotten, while kagame continues his
machinations w m23, and while other mai mai groups and militias continue
their depredations, and congolese continue to suffer. at least in congo
there is a serious un peacekeeping intervention.
it is obscene that that is not the case in syria, and we can thank
russia and china for that.
but if it takes a chemical weapon attack to mobilize some kind of
serious military attack on assad's assets, so be it. something has to be
done.
when people say, let it be diplomatic, i take it that it is not their
syrian relatives who are being killed
my question to kucinich is the same, what are you proposing we do to
stop this killing? the rest strikes me as details over an irrelevancy.
ken
On 9/6/13 9:20 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> Over to you Ken.
> GE
> ....................................
>
>
> Top 10 Unproven Claims for War Against Syria
>
> By Dennis Kucinich, Reader Supported News
>
> 05 September 13
>
>
>
> n the lead-up to the Iraq War, I researched, wrote and circulated a document to members of Congress which explored unanswered questions and refuted President Bush's claim for a cause for war. The document detailed how there was no proof Iraq was connected to 9/11 or tied to al Qaeda's role in 9/11, that Iraq neither had WMDs nor was it a threat to the U.S., lacking intention and capability to attack. Unfortunately, not enough members of Congress performed due diligence before they approved the war.
>
> Here are some key questions which President Obama has yet to answer in the call for congressional approval for war against Syria. This article is a call for independent thinking and congressional oversight, which rises above partisan considerations.
>
> The questions the Obama administration needs to answer before Congress can even consider voting on Syria:
>
> Claim #1. The administration claims a chemical weapon was used.
> The UN inspectors are still completing their independent evaluation.
>
> Who provided the physiological samples of sarin gas on which your evaluation is based? Were any other non-weaponized chemical agents discovered or sampled?
>
> Who from the United States was responsible for the chain of custody?
>
> Where was the laboratory analysis conducted?
>
> Were U.S. officials present during the analysis of the samples? Does your sample show military grade or lower grade sarin gas?
>
> Can you verify that your sample matches the exact composition of the alleged Syrian government composition?
>
> Further reading: Brown Moses blog; McClatchy News report; Global Research report.
>
> Claim #2: The administration claims the opposition has not used chemical weapons.
> Which opposition?
>
> Are you speaking of a specific group, or all groups working in Syria to overthrow President Assad and his government?
>
> Has your administration independently and categorically dismissed the reports of rebel use of chemical weapons which have come from such disparate sources as Russia, the United Nations, and the Turkish state newspaper?
>
> Have you investigated the rumors that the Saudis may have supplied the rebels with chemicals that could be weaponized?
>
> Has the administration considered the ramifications of inadvertently supporting al Qaeda-affiliated Syrian rebels?
>
> Was any intelligence received in the last year by the U.S. government indicating that sarin gas was brought into Syria by rebel factions, with or without the help of a foreign government or intelligence agents?
>
> Further reading: Global Research report; Wall Street Journal article; Reuters story; Zaman story (in Turkish -- see Google translate from Turkish to English); Atlantic Sentinel story; AP story
>
> Claim #3: The administration claims chemical weapons were used because the regime's conventional weapons were insufficient
> Who is responsible for the conjecture that the reason chemical weapons were used against the Damascus suburbs is that Assad's conventional weapons were insufficient to secure "large portions of Damascus"?
>
> Claim #4: The administration claims to have intelligence relating to the mixing of chemical weapons by regime elements
> Who saw the chemical weapons being mixed from August 18th on?
>
> Was any warning afforded to the Syria opposition and if not, why not?
>
> If, on August 21st a "regime element" was preparing for a chemical weapons attack, has an assessment been made which could definitively determine whether such preparation (using gas masks) was for purpose of defense, and not offense?
>
> Further reading: McClatchy report; Brown Moses blog
>
> Claim #5: The administration claims intelligence that Assad's brother ordered the attack
> What is the type of and source of intelligence which alleges that Assad's brother personally ordered the attack?
>
> Who made the determination that Assad's brother ordered the attack, based on which intelligence, from what source?
>
> Further reading: here
>
> Claim #6: The administration claims poison gas was released in a rocket attack
> Who was tracking the rocket and the artillery attack which preceded the poison gas release?
>
> Did these events occur simultaneously or consecutively?
>
> Could these events, the rocket launches and the release of poison gas, have been conflated?
>
> Based upon the evidence, is it possible that a rocket attack by the Syrian government was aimed at rebels stationed among civilians and a chemical weapons attack was launched by rebels against the civilian population an hour and a half later?
>
> Is it possible that chemical weapons were released by the rebels -- unintentionally?
>
> Explain the 90-minute time interval between the rocket launch and chemical weapon attacks.
>
> Has forensic evidence been gathered at the scene of the attack which would confirm the use of rockets to deliver the gas?
>
> If there was a rocket launch would you supply evidence of wounds from the rockets impact and explosion?
>
> What is the source of the government's analysis?
>
> If the rockets were being tracked via "geospatial intelligence," what were the geospatial coordinates of the launching sites and termination locations?
>
> Further reading: FAIR.org report
>
> Claim #7: The administration claims 1,429 people died in the attack
> Secretary Kerry claimed 1,429 deaths, including 426 children. From whom did that number first originate?
>
> Further reading: McClatchy report
>
> Claim #8: The administration has made repeated references to videos and photos of the attack as a basis for military action against Syria
> When and where were the videos taken of the aftermath of the poison gas attack?
>
> Further reading: FAIR.org report
>
> Claim #9: The administration claims a key intercept proves the Assad regime's complicity in the chemical weapons attack
> Will you release the original transcripts in the language in which it was recorded as well as the translations relied upon to determine the nature of the conversation allegedly intercepted?
>
> What is the source of this transcript? What was the exact time of the intercept? Was it a U.S. intercept or supplied from a non-U.S. source?
>
> Have you determined the transcripts' authenticity? Have you considered that the transcripts could have been doctored or fake?
>
> Was the "senior official," whose communications were intercepted, a member of Assad's government?
>
> How was he "familiar" with the offensive? Through a surprised acknowledgement that such an attack had taken place? Or through actual coordination of said attack? Release the transcripts!
>
> Was he an intelligence asset of the U.S., or our allies? In what manner had he "confirmed" chemical weapons were used by the regime?
>
> Who made the assessment that his intercepted communications were a confirmation of the use of chemical weapons by the regime on August 21st?
>
> What is the source of information that the Syrian chemical weapons personnel were "directed to cease operations"?
>
> Is this the same source who witnessed regime officials mixing the chemicals?
>
> Does the transcript indicate whether the operations they were "directed to cease" were related to ceasing conventional or chemical attacks?
>
> Will you release the transcripts and identify sources of this claim?
>
> Do you have transcripts, eyewitness accounts or electronic intercepts of communications between Syrian commanders or other regime officials which link the CW attack directly to President Assad?
>
> Who are the intelligence officials who made the assessment -- are they U.S. intelligence officials or did the initial analysis come from a non-U.S. source?
>
> Further reading: FAIR.org report and AP story; Washington Post editorial
>
> Claim #10: The administration claims that sustained shelling occurred after the chemical weapons attack in order to cover up the traces of the attack
> Please release all intelligence and military assessments as to the reason for the sustained shelling, which is reported to have occurred after the chemical weapons attack.
>
> Who made the determination that was this intended to cover up a chemical weapon attack? Or was it to counterattack those who released chemicals?
>
> How does shelling make the residue of sarin gas disappear?
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net
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> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
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> From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com [usaafric...@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of kenneth harrow [har...@msu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 1:35 PM
> To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Obama's Political Capital and the Slippery Slope of Syria (Reich)
>
> i have been hearing this argument repeated over and over, and i still
> find it immoral.
> basically when you say, the u.s. is not the world's policeman, you are
> saying it is someone else's problem.
> it is all our problem. anyone who can stop a killing and doesn't is as
> guilty as the perpetrator.
> there is a logic that bothers me. the logic says, it isn't in u.s.
> interest, so don't do it.
> neither was rwanda.
> yet, crimes were committed, and the guilt fell not only on the
> interahamwe and their rwandan extremist supporters, but on those who
> prevented u.n. peacekeepers from intervening, adn, indeed, who reduced
> their numbers so that they wound up protecting only one stadium in
> downtown kigali.
>
> this is the jewish new year. we pray for tikkun olam, the good of the
> world, and we give charity.
> what good is it if we also say, gee, maybe this wouldn't be good for the
> u.s. or for israel, or for jordon, or etc etc
> someone has to respond with a meaningful way to end assad's killing of
> so many people; otherwise we are passively permitting it to continue,
> and share some blame for it
> maybe nothing can do done; maybe russia and china will keep others out,
> and let the killings continue till a million people are dead. two
> million dead.
> my question is, how many is too many?
> if you oppose u.s. intervention, give another answer than simply let it
> happen till they are tired of killing each other. that answer means,
> they don't count as real people.
> ken
>
> On 9/5/13 10:22 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
>> Reader Supported News
>> Obama's Political Capital and the Slippery Slope of Syria
>>
>> By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog
>>
>> 04 September 13
>>
>> [http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/ if the President musters enough votes to strike Syria, at what political cost? Any president has a limited amount of political capital to mobilize support for his agenda, in Congress and, more fundamentally, with the American people. This is especially true of a president in his second term of office. Which makes President Obama's campaign to strike Syria all the more mystifying.rsn-E.jpg]ven
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>> President Obama's domestic agenda is already precarious: implementing the Affordable Care Act, ensuring the Dodd-Frank Act adequately constrains Wall Street, raising the minimum wage, saving Social Security and Medicare from the Republican right as well as deficit hawks in the Democratic Party, ending the sequester and reviving programs critical to America's poor, rebuilding the nation's infrastructure, and, above all, crafting a strong recovery.
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>> Time and again we have seen domestic agendas succumb to military adventures abroad - both because the military-industrial-congressional complex drains money that might otherwise be used for domestic goals, and because the public's attention is diverted from urgent problems at home to exigencies elsewhere around the globe.
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>> It would be one thing if a strike on Syria was critical to America's future, or even the future of the Middle East. But it is not. In fact, a strike on Syria may well cause more havoc in that tinder-box region of the world by unleashing still more hatred for America, the West, and for Israel, and more recruits to terrorism. Strikes are never surgical; civilians are inevitably killed. Moreover, the anti-Assad forces have shown themselves to be every bit as ruthless as Assad, with closer ties to terrorist networks.
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>> Using chemical weapons against one's own innocent civilians is a crime against humanity, to be sure, but the United States cannot be the world's only policeman. The UN Security Council won't support us, we can't muster NATO, Great Britain and Germany will not join us. Dictatorial regimes are doing horrendous things to their people in many places around the world. It would be folly for us to believe we could stop it all.
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>>
>> Obama and his secretary of state, John Kerry, are now arguing that a failure to act against Syria will embolden enemies of Israel like Iran and Hezbollah, and send a signal to Iran that the United States would tolerate the fielding of a nuclear device. This is almost the same sort of specious argument - America's credibility at stake, and if we don't act we embolden our enemies and the enemies of our allies - used by George W. Bush to justify toppling Saddam Hussein, and, decades before that, by Lyndon Johnson to justify a tragic war in Vietnam.
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>> It has proven to be a slippery slope: Once we take military action, any subsequent failure to follow up or prevent gains by the other side is seen as an even larger sign of our weakness, further emboldening our enemies.
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>> Hopefully, Congress will see the wisdom of averting this slope.
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