For the record, I should just like to make the following amendments:
That Shia Iran's number one hate object ( all categories) is possibly not Umar (Sunnism's 2nd Caliph) who "conquered Jerusalem) but the accursed Yazid and his father Muawiyah
For now the unending alliance between the Great Satan & Iran continues: Act 1 was the hanging of Saddam Hussein, in Act 2, Obama bombs Islamic State's ammunition depots, to prevent the genocide of Iraqi Christians.
"Iran has never attacked any other country" (according to the Nigerian historian Ogugua Anunoby) - to an extent true – it was Saddam who first attacked the Islamic Republic of Iran, destroyed their oil city Abadan and imposed the eight year war on Iran; as the Quran says, "Allah does not like the aggressor", i.e. those who initiate aggression. On the other hand there's Hezbollah, Iran's surrogate attack dogs when it comes to attacking Israel. Imam Khomeini also instituted al Quds Day. ( By the way I have a few Palestinian friends who tell me confidentially that they prefer the Jews to the Shia)
There's the Hypocrisy over Gaza and there's also the Gaza & the UN war criminals and the End the Unjust Jewish Occupation of Arab Land!
I'll now sit by and enjoy the configurations of the new forum trinity, the Kenneth Harrow - Moses Ochonu – Pablo Idahosa axis of discussion...
On Saturday, 9 August 2014 17:26:47 UTC+2, Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
--...Lord Ogugua Anunoby,
Respect Sir! See how I have elevated you – from Professorship to Lordship!
As Rumi opines, your very next elevation might be to angelhood!
You say that "Israel is not going to go away. We all know this for a fact."
You probably "know" that as "a fact" only because you know that should Israel keep on making concessions to those who believe that Israel is "occupying Arab Land" then there would be no Israel left.
I was unpleasantly reminded of what you call "Israel's occupation and land grab" when I checked out something in the Christian Scriptures in which Lord Jesus Christ in Acts of the Apostles 1: 7-8 mentions his beloved Jerusalem, his Judea and Samaria now known by the Palestinians as "The West Bank" , singing in Arabic, like a Ladysmith Black Mambazo choir in South Africa, "Black is black, I want my country back"
You say that "Iran made public its nuclear development program" What are you talking about? Transparency? Kitman and Taqiyya?
Heaven forbid that I should trivialise the threat from Iranian nuclear weapons when they have already promised "to wipe Israel off the map!"
If you want to start with the scroll there's the Book of Esther. Moving to more recent fact Cyrus II of Persia was called Messiah ...
Lately, you make a lot of tall claims about Iran. So how did the Persian Empire come about? And how did the Ottoman Empire come into being? How do you think the British Empire or indeed any other empire came into being? Islam conquered Persia (that's why for them, Umar (Sunnism's 2nd Caliph) is the most hated Arab that has ever lived (including Saddam Hussein). The Safavids introduced Shi'ism. About peaceful Persia, just look at the career of Nader Shah during whose reign more than half of Iraq and vast swathes of Afghanistan and some of the former soviet republics were part of the vast Persian Empire which was still expanding in all directions. When you consider the doctrine of Dar-al-Islam versus dar al harb – with ISIS now laying claim to Spain and all that has ever, even once been under Islamic jurisdiction you must arrive at the sane understanding that Islam is not in recession – dawah is in progress and military aggression is in abeyance/ suspension due to a hudna - with pal al-Islam biding its time until the military forces of Islam are strong again. In the meantime ask any Islamist and he will tell you that when the US falls then Islam will take over. So Islam is waiting for the downfall of what Iran calls "the great and the little Satan"
The notion of dar al Islam and dar al Harb is the foundation of Article 11 of the Hamas Charter.
Let me hasten to assure you: my Yoruba Professor always makes complete sense, I don't know whether he is pro-Iran or not, but he does not discriminate and by "everybody" he means everybody including you and me, and every Tom, Dick and Harry includes Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-un, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad & His Holiness (any of them) when he says that if they want nuclear weapons they should be "allowed" to have them. The premise – based on equal rights - - is that either everybody should be allowed to have nuclear weapons or nobody should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
Your probable question is "What would Hamas want to do with nuclear weapons?"
The answer to the question: If Hamas had nuclear weapons would there be this Operation Protective Edge?
Do you bless Israel but not the Israeli Constitution , so called?
Is the Torah no longer Israel's Constitution?
I have no high horse (or camel) to sit on and from which height to pontificate about the greatness of Israeli compassion and humanity
I always take as fore granted certain basic knowledge about Israel and the history of the Middle East. Sometimes when simplicity is unravelled it becomes more complex. I'm looking forward to hearing more from the Kenneth Harrow - Moses Ochonu – Pablo Idahosa axis of discussion. I believe that they are going to tell the whole story. Some ideas will be put to the test; it promises to be interesting...
Sincerely yours,
On Friday, 8 August 2014 22:28:48 UTC+2, Anunoby, Ogugua wrote:CH
Please do not trivialize the serious debate on Iran and nuclear weapons. Iran is a much older and more settled country than Israel is. Iran has no territorial ambitions outside its settled borders. Israel does. Iran has never attacked any other country. Israel has. Iran made public its nuclear development program. Israel denies hers. You must not take context out of serious conversations.
Your Yoruba professor if he wished to make sense, must have meant countries/states not anomalous groups and individuals that are here today and gone tomorrow when he said "everybody".
You refer to the PLO Charter and the Hamas Covenant. What about the Israeli Constitution? What about the public and private pronouncements of Israeli and Jewish leaders and settlers? There will always be enough blame to go round. Anyone looking for trash in a trash bin will likely find some.
Israel is not going to go away. We all know this for a fact. The Palestinian Arabs must know that by now. You may be surprised to learn again that I am actually a supporter of State of Israel. That is not to say though that Israel is and will always be right and do no wrong. I call the wrongs the way I see them. Israel's occupation and land grab are arguably the two most important obstacles to peace. Let us all focus on saving lives, improving lives and having peace everywhere.
Having suffered discrimination and yearned for a state for as long as the Jewish people have, they more than any other people would be expected to understand other people's suffering and similar yearning for a state. Their suffering should grow their humanity toward their neighbors and not their hatred.
It was the humanity of the great powers of the last century that made possible the state of Israel. The people of Israel should return the favor to their suffering neighbors. The Jews are undoubtedly a great people. Their humanity should be great too.
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From: Cornelius Hamelberg [mailto:cornelius...@gmail.com
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Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 2:25 AM
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Subject: Re: FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - In Gaza, International Law Is Up in Flames
Sir,
"the demilitarization of all direct parties in the conflict?" Your preamble sounds like my Yoruba professor talking about Iran going nuclear – he says that if Israel is "allowed" to have nuclear bombs then everybody should be allowed – everybody i.e. Boko Haram, Goodluck Jonathan, Taliban, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaeda, IS, the late Saddam…
Throughout, you have been humane and fair but it's quite clear that you are not familiar with the goals outlined in either the PLO Charter or that of their brothers-in-arms, the Hamas Covenant.
The more sober reality is this: "If Palestine were to lay down their guns tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel were to lay down theirs, there would be no Israel "- Benjamin Netanyahu
Gaza has been a test case – Israel withdraws and it becomes a safe haven for jihad's missiles pointing at Haifa, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
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