Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Another Nigerian stampede survivor says I was pinned down - Vanguard News

Bode,
Hope he wasn't confusing esu with Satan?
O.

On Sep 29, 2015 6:53 AM, "Bode" <ominira@gmail.com> wrote:

when this happened over a decade ago, I remember my late professor at Ife, professor Oyin Ogunba saying to me no traditional worshipper in Africa would engage in the affront of stoning satan in the first place….

Bode 

On 9/28/15, 3:12 PM, "Olayinka Agbetuyi" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com on behalf of yagbetuyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

And why must Satan be stoned only from Saudi Arabia? Was that his home?

Why not stone Satan in Sokoto or Ilorin?

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Another Nigerian stampede survivor says I was pinned down - Vanguard News

Kasim Alli:

To the extent that we have not heard that the Saudi Army was the one that shot these victims, this tragedy can only be consigned to an unfortunate accident that we wish should not recur. So to your question as to what AU/African countries/those countries affected/the Muslim Ummah should do:

(1)  demand for a thorough, honest and complete investigation of the incident, primarily to prevent a recurrence in the future.  Part of the deterrence for than non-re-occurrence is to punish those who through negligence allowed it to occur.

(2)  work out a limit to the crowd in any given space during these observations.  Just as an elevator has the maximum number of safe passengers, and a stadium has a given safe limit of spectators, don't these worship grounds have any limits at all?  These limits must be "actuarially" established, so that a stampede (if any)  should not cause these many deaths.

(3)  ask all participants to take a life insurance.  This can be initiated by the sending country, Saudi Arabia or the pilgrim himself/herself.  The dead don't gain from insurance; it is the survivors.

(4)  This may be politically incorrect, but too many Nigerians do repeat visit to Mecca, as if they have to stone Satan every year for Satan, already defeated, to be re-defeated!  There are people who go to Lesser Hajj, Greater Hajj and Middle Hajj EACH YEAR - three times a year.    Yet, the injunction is at least only once in a lifetime, not every year, Haba!  To limit the number of participants, there should be a tax for repeat Hajj - double/triple Alhajis and Hajiyas etc. -  escalating  each time you go again. 

Nothing stops all the above from being imposed on Jerusalem Pilgrims.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS: Kasim, how many times have you gone?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 3:15 AM, 'Kasim Alli' via USA Africa Dialogue Series <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> wrote:

What exactly should (can) the AU and/or Nigerian government do in this case?

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On Sep 27, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:

The AU should take a decisive action for the insult coming from the officials of Saudi Arabia. I hope The Federal Government of Nigeria must do something about this crazy religious obligation that leads to voluntary suicide in Mecca. 

Prof. Segun Ogungbemi

On Sep 27, 2015, at 6:04 PM, kenneth harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

this is pretty sad, esp given official saudi responses blaming the victims.
i should remind folks that in senegal the mourid hadj is to touba, the grand magal. no need to make the hadj to mecca to fulfill the obligation. and there are christian equivalents there as well. senegal gets it right, i believe.
ken

On 9/27/15 12:43 PM, 'CJM1' via USA Africa Dialogue Series wrote:

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/09/another-nigerian-stampede-survivor-says-i-was-pinned-down/

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