Tuesday, November 28, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: Zimbabwe’s President Mugabe Resigns

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On Nov 28, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <seguno2013@gmail.com> wrote:

Njoku,
Would please respect a very senior academic like Ken who has been very resourceful to most of us in this forum. 
Thanks. 
Segun Ogungbemi

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On Nov 28, 2017, at 1:50 AM, Raphael Njoku <njoku08@gmail.com> wrote:

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Mr. Harrow your thoughts are too superficial and insulting to the senses. often I wonder what is your motive. Stop planting incendiary and viral ideas about Africa and African leaders. You must accord Africans agency in their internal affairs. If you have nothing constructive to offer let us discuss Queen's English and Bantu migrations.

You HAVE assumed the position of African leaders' chief judge and I am outraged by this arrogance and the misguided role you have assigned to yourself. In 2003 when someone you know very well ordered the invasion of Iraq, on false information, you said nothing but now you are teaching us about leadership? After over 1.5 million people are killed in the wars in Iraq and by extension Syria, I expect people like you to lead a crusade to bring those responsible to The Hague. But you have done nothing, despite what is still going on over there.

A month ago, a Libyan family with three kids aged six months, 5 years, and 7, walked into my office looking for help. I cried bitterly and I do not think the impact will ever leave my memory. The wife talked about Gaddafi Libya and post-Gaddafi Libya. You should hear from them directly instead of sitting behind your desk in Michigan and lecturing the world on YOUR GOVERNMENT AND FRANCE'S HEAVENLY INTERVENTION.

Now you want to whip up disorder in Zimbabwe. The Zimbabweans know better and they can take care of their internal problems. Go back and reflect on what being a Humanist Scholar is all about. The humanistic spirit acknowledges that the other person knows what he is doing. In this context, you have not demonstrated this spirit of humanism. You are only passing judgment on superficial knowledge of how things work or not in Zimbabwe. Who created Mugabe and ZANU? I thought that will make a far more interesting discussion. I am glad ZANU leaders are not reading this.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu> wrote:

This notion articulated here of how ghaddafi was killed strikes me as nonsense. Why would someone post something like this? who would be in agreement, I wonder?

The u.s. intervened, as did france, after the arab spring had given rise to revolts across Libya, after ghadaffi began killing Libyans to the best of his ability.

A reasonable discussion might question the wisdom of the intervention. I am not, not at all, convinced that intervening on the side of the rebels against the dictator was wrong. The numbers who died were, and are, still relatively small. The oppressive regime of yet another autocrat ended.

The negatives are there to be debated. But there is nothing to debate when these events are reduced to empty sound bites.

ken

 

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

 

From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Raphael Njoku <njoku08@gmail.com>
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Date: Monday 27 November 2017 at 14:15
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BREAKING: Zimbabwe's President Mugabe Resigns

 

Our Africa's spokesman,

 

You tell me where else in this world people like Clinton will fly in, kill the leader of a country and fly out to celebrate and laugh about it, Only in Africa. And it is because Africans applaud these forms of outrageous acts. Crimes against humanity!!! Our Africa's spokesman, can you also tell me just one instance where on the face of the earth African military have participated in the killing of their 'WONDERFUL AND PERFECT" LEADERS??

Let my people think.

"The moment you start insulting or disgracing yourself, others will join you."

- Mamman Vatsa

 

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

Correction

 

'We came, we saw, he died.'  H. Clinton

 

 

Professor Gloria Emeagwali

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