Dialogues: December 2017

Sunday, December 31, 2017

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

....... dining with a very long spoon .

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
www.africahistory.net
www.gloriaemeagwali.com

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GE i.e. you'd rather dine than swim? Re:

"Someone in the media has called it a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea....Well, at least one can dialogue with the devil, even dine with that creature with the proverbial long spoon. With the deep blue sea however, deceptively placid, even the best swimmers drown" - Wole Soyinka

On Jan 1, 2018 4:57 AM, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

(Continuation)

Gbagbo's friends and allies would say "we told you so" ........but the issue is complicated.
If I had to choose between Gbagbo, the genocidist and Ouattara, today, I would still pick Ouattara. Would I pick Buhari instead of Jonathan. Perhaps yes......
When I think of Jonathan' s opportunistic
handling of the kidnapped Chibok girls etc, ........but with a full recognition of Buhari's incompetence.
GE

From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:34:39 PM
To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn't Have Been Better!

Well the Nazis connote genocide,
death camps, gold filling extraction and a host of despicable actions.As I said in another list, if the Jews can make up with the Germans, then they could certainly come to an agreement with the Palestinians. But that is a stray point. The real issue here is about politician s and the lies they weave. Few can be trusted. You can only think in relative terms at the moment of voting.
Who would have thought that Alassane Ouattara would turn out to be such a lousy, avaricious,ungrateful President but he did. Gbagbo's friend

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:01:16 PM
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"No Nazi invocation, I plead." (Moderator)

Why not, if within context and helps to illuminate viewpoints?

CAO.

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

GE i.e. you'd rather dine than swim? Re:

On Jan 1, 2018 4:57 AM, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu> wrote:

(Continuation)

Gbagbo's friends and allies would say "we told you so" ........but the issue is complicated.
If I had to choose between Gbagbo, the genocidist and Ouattara, today, I would still pick Ouattara. Would I pick Buhari instead of Jonathan. Perhaps yes......
When I think of Jonathan' s opportunistic
handling of the kidnapped Chibok girls etc, ........but with a full recognition of Buhari's incompetence.
GE

From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:34:39 PM
To: USA Africa Dialogue Series
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn't Have Been Better!

Well the Nazis connote genocide,
death camps, gold filling extraction and a host of despicable actions.As I said in another list, if the Jews can make up with the Germans, then they could certainly come to an agreement with the Palestinians. But that is a stray point. The real issue here is about politician s and the lies they weave. Few can be trusted. You can only think in relative terms at the moment of voting.
Who would have thought that Alassane Ouattara would turn out to be such a lousy, avaricious,ungrateful President but he did. Gbagbo's friend

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
New Britain. CT 06050
www.africahistory.net
www.gloriaemeagwali.com
www.ccsu.edu/afstudy/archive.html
Chief Editor- "Africa Update"
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Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries on
Africa and the African Diaspora
8608322815 Phone
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:01:16 PM
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"No Nazi invocation, I plead." (Moderator)

Why not, if within context and helps to illuminate viewpoints?

CAO.

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

Gloria is right that no enmity need be eternal. In fact, unless there is an economic motive, enmity will dissipate quickly. My own view.

As for the analogy between jews and germans, that doesn't quite work for me. The germans with whom the jews made up were not Nazis, but the opposite: those who outlawed Nazism in all forms, down to this day. And especially those who sided with the enemies of the Nazis.

The jews who made up, too, were not really The Jews but Israelis who accepted reparations, not quite the same as making up.

Most jews I knew when I grew up after WWII hated the germans, refused to buy german products, like VWs, and certainly never went to Germany. We are now 3 generations after that day, and not only has that hatred weakened, especially for the younger generation, the germans themselves have become the model nation that has apologized for its holocaust. If you go to berlin you will be impressed, or even overwhelmed, by the monuments, the tokens to the past, the reminders, and above all, the deep signs of apologizing for that past.

The Israelis are no where close to apologizing for the occupation, the slaughtering of Palestinians in gaza, the new settlements, the expulsions and ethnic cleanings, the wall, the prison abuse etc.

It is not easy for jews like myself to see in Israel, what had once been the great golden hope of the jewish people, turn into the oppressive state.

Will this change one day? Maybe not. When the invading Europeans took the native people's lands and put them onto reservations, there was no basic change in policy. There have been vague gestures toward apologies, but no truth and reconciliation commission, no resolution to the miserable conditions on all too many reservations, except for those w casinos or minerals.

ken

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

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From: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@ccsu.edu>
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Date: Sunday 31 December 2017 at 20:34
To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn't Have Been Better!

Well the Nazis connote genocide,
death camps, gold filling extraction and a host of despicable actions.As I said in another list, if the Jews can make up with the Germans, then they could certainly come to an agreement with the Palestinians. But that is a stray point. The real issue here is about politician s and the lies they weave. Few can be trusted. You can only think in relative terms at the moment of voting.
Who would have thought that Alassane Ouattara would turn out to be such a lousy, avaricious,ungrateful President but he did. Gbagbo's friend

Professor Gloria Emeagwali
Professor of History
History Department
Central Connecticut State University
1615 Stanley Street
New Britain. CT 06050
www.africahistory.net
www.gloriaemeagwali.com
www.ccsu.edu/afstudy/archive.html
Chief Editor- "Africa Update"
www.vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
Gloria Emeagwali's Documentaries on
Africa and the African Diaspora
8608322815 Phone
8608322804 Fax

From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 4:01:16 PM
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"No Nazi invocation, I plead." (Moderator)

Why not, if within context and helps to illuminate viewpoints?

CAO.

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

(Continuation)

Gbagbo's friends and allies would say "we told you so" ........but the issue is complicated.
If I had to choose between Gbagbo, the genocidist and Ouattara, today, I would still pick Ouattara. Would I pick Buhari instead of Jonathan. Perhaps yes......
When I think of Jonathan' s opportunistic
handling of the kidnapped Chibok girls etc, ........but with a full recognition of Buhari's incompetence.
GE

From: Emeagwali, Gloria (History)
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 8:34:39 PM
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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Wishing a Great New Year to AllMembers of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

Thank you. May the year be happy and productive to all.

Patrick

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Amen!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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Date: 31/12/2017 21:06 (GMT+00:00)

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Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Wishing a Great New Year to AllMembers of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

I join all the others in wishing everyone on the list a wonderful, happy new year

All the best

Ken harrow

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

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Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Wishing a Great New Year to All Members of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

Wishing a Great New Year to All Members of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

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Wonderful things are unfolding in 2018. We have been there and have come to give you the news. A rain of knowledge. A splendorous burst of knowing. Magnificent journeys into vistas uncharted. Not for nothing is the motto of Compcros "Exploring Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge." That is our calling and we exist to serve you through it.

Compcros practices what its founder, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, describes as scholarship of the marketplace. Where the power of the most profound, the most elevated and most rigorous engagement with the potential of homo sapiens- the one who knows and knows that he knows-meets the dust of the daily world of human intercourse. We climb the Ivory Tower of the great official citadels of knowledge and return to the goat's earth, as one oral African poem puts it, to share with your our findings. The very vortex at the core of being is our home yet we speak to you of those issues that burn between your skin and that of the desired or loved other. There is nowhere that we are not, no zone of knowledge of which we are not able to bring to you a rare nugget, yet unseen by you. Yet, we are as free as the air you breathe.

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Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Wishing a Great New Year to AllMembers of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

Amen!

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Kenneth Harrow <harrow@msu.edu>

Date: 31/12/2017 21:06 (GMT+00:00)

To: usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>, tvoluade@gmail.com

Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Wishing a Great New Year to AllMembers of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

I join all the others in wishing everyone on the list a wonderful, happy new year

All the best

Ken harrow

Kenneth Harrow

Dept of English and Film Studies

Michigan State University

619 Red Cedar Rd

East Lansing, MI 48824

517-803-8839

harrow@msu.edu

http://www.english.msu.edu/people/faculty/kenneth-harrow/

Wishing a Great New Year to All Members of the USAAfrica Dialogues Series

Compcros

Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems

"Exploring Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge"

Deep calling unto deep

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - No, Jonathan Wouldn’t Have Been Better!

Chidi,

Buhari and the APC made many unrealistic, silly, and deceptive promises. Most literate people knew these promises to be unattainable and deceptive promises. Guess what? They still supported him because he was the only viable alternative to Jonathan, the one who could get Jonathan out of there. Their support for the most part was more about getting rid of Jonathan, who was an unmitigated disaster, in the hope (now proven wrong) that Buhari would be an improvement upon Jonathan, especially since he claimed that he had learned from his previous tenure and had become a "reformed democrat." No one that I know believed that Buhari would make the Naira equal to the dollar or that petrol would sell for N40 Naira per little, or that all unemployed people would be paid a monthly stipend of N5,000 etc. In fact some of us called these silly, deceptive promises out BEFORE the election in our public interventions. While some people feigned surprise when Buhari began to disown those promises and began to attribute them to the APC, some of us who saw the promises as mere political gimmicks and called them that were not surprised.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara <chidi.opara@gmail.com> wrote:

Moses,
How could any adult in Nigeria who can read and write not know that Buhari has always been incompetent and would as a result mess things up?

How could any literate person in Nigeria for example, believe that Buhari, even if he stays for two terms in office, can bring the naira at per with the dollar, considering the economic factors that must come into play before that can happen?

The man made that promise and his supporters, even those with PhD in Economics, went to town with that!

You are now telling us that the Buhari supporters couldn't have seen this mess coming?

Well, I saw it coming and I said it here and I am not clairvoyant!

CAO.

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