--Toyin:
"As a man sows shall he reap
And I know that talk is cheap
But the hotter the battle
Ah – the sweeter Jah Victory!"
(Bob Marley : The Heathen )
Please count me in as one among many of those who appreciates this very point that you are belabouring (You have asked this same question many time in the past couple of weeks: the question that you have posed to one and sundry :
"Have you agreed to recognize the fact of Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation, run by the country's most elite Fulani, of whom the Sultan of Sokoto, the head of Nigeria's Muslims and the Emir of Kano, ex-central bank governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, are the most prominent, owning up and justifying various massacres in the Middle Belt?"
My answer to that question is a consistent : Is this a fact?
You are familiar with the history of cattle rustlers in the US - at least as portrayed by the Westerner Hollywood genre - gun law, fastest draw, gun talk and in the end, the good guy triumphs – justice wins.
Nigeria : cattle rustlers
Surely, even in the most warped and Islamophobic imagination, the Cattle rustlers could not be the Fulani Herdsmen. Yes, I believe that the Herdsmen should have a right to protect themselves and their cattle (their capital) from marauding non-Fulani bandits (rustlers) - and there you have it !
As to the other question, 'If you were a Fulani Herdsman and someone shot at you, what would you do? Turn the other cheek or shoot back at whomsoever?'
I lave it to your good conscience to question the moral of this song
Without Nigerians like you as forceful front-line representatives of the other side in this national dialogue/ debate/ discussion, it would be a one-way street, even a one-party state, with your alleged Fulani hegemony in the driver's seat, but now, there is freedom of speech even freedom to think that's why we can have thesis and antithesis and hopefully we will soon arrive at a resolution. As Professor Falola, one of the guardian angels of this series has asked of you scholars ( and that includes the Islamophobes and jive ass niggas in your ranks)
"We, as scholars, must do serious analysis and suggest solutions, disagree around those solutions and arrive at a consensus. Than consensus must then be translated to policies."
By the way, I have investigated the link that one of the Edo Brethren sent to me , purporting that the Fulani Herdsmen of Nigeria have been smuggling weapons, cunningly concealed in oil tankers. It so happens that that video is from Eritrea and the people in the video were certainly not speaking Fulani or Hausa or any other Nigerian language. Shame on this sort of fake news and fake videos.
Once again, I lave you to the tender mercies of Baba Salimonou Kadiri..
On Monday, 30 July 2018 11:57:08 UTC+2, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju wrote:Cornelius,
Have you agreed to recognize the fact of Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation, run by the country's most elite Fulani, of whom the Sultan of Sokoto, the head of Nigeria's Muslims and the Emir of Kano, ex-central bank governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, are the most prominent, owning up and justifying various massacres in the Middle Belt?
Are you arguing that those massacres are instances of self defense as suggested by this line of yours:
'If you were a Fulani Herdsman and someone shot at you, what would you do? Turn the other cheek or shoot back at whomsoever?'
thanks
toyin
...On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 at 23:36, Cornelius Hamelberg <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
When it comes to the Shia and the Sunni, I believe that both are right ( even if one is more right than the other.) Depending on the niyat, Ya Ali refers to Al Ali ( one of the 99 names of Allah) not necessarily to Imam Ali ( s.a.)
When it comes to Israel and the Palestinians, do you think that it's "God's Chosen People" versus the devil and his agents?
In Nigeria, nobody complains about the endless, steady supply of affordable Fulani reared beef to the various cooking pots in the Federation. it's only now that the next elections are getting closer that the bandits and the other forces of evil want the situation to deteriorate as much as possible and blame it all on the Muslims : Brother Buhari, the Fulani Herdsmen, the Sultan of Sokoto, the Emir of Kano and the Miyetti Allah- In fact, you should be grateful that most of the slaughter is halal - Islamically sanctified meat to the stomach as cemetery (according to George Bernard Shaw.) After the Flood , the Almighty made concessions to meat-eating, to satisfy man's nafs. Eating meat makes people more aggressive. ( At one time my first Sufi Master instructed me to stop going to the mosque - he said that it was making me more aggressive , circa, 1987. ( I think that it was after one of his closest disciples (Jewish) read a letter that I had written in the Tehran Times.
It's clear to see that nowadays , it could be that attending divine service in some of the Pentecostal churches in Nigeria could have the same militant anti-Boko Haram and anti- armed Fulani Herdsmen and anti-Islam effect on the churchgoers...
It seems that in the ongoing cycle of violence, you want to single out "Fulani Herdsmen"and cast all the blame on them and only them and not some of the various bandits who are responsible for the mayhem. If you were a Fulani Herdsman and someone shot at you, what would you do? Turn the other cheek or shoot back at whomsoever?
Late last night I got this video from one of the Edo Brethren, showing weapons ( some primitive , rusty looking cache of rifles, no AK-47s in sight, being unloaded from an oil tanker.
Most likely another instance of fake news. The location of the video shot, not verified. Could have been Niger, or Cameroon
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On Sunday, 29 July 2018 12:52:39 UTC+2, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju wrote:Salimonu,
Get serious.
Your tactics have become repetitive.
Anticipating you and your fellow genocide deniers trying to sing this song of 'show me the justifications from Miyetti Allah', justifications which you have previously acknowledged and struggle to prove as being of no consequence , Moses Ochunu took the time to post a lists of some those ownership of massacres and justifications of massacres by Miyetti Allah in a recent debate.
Look for it on the group..
Google can also help you.
These are public facts which, as you clearly are at your wits end, you try to buy time by asking someone to show you evidence of.
Your denials imply show your arguments on this subject are not in good faith but serve an agenda centred in perversion of justice.
As for your desperate invocation of Oshiomole, why bother yourself with APC politics if you cant grasp the context?
Are you not aware that Ortom was their darling until he chose not to cross over to APC?Are you also choosing to ignore the IGP and the minster of defense who, in defense of Miyetti Allah, declared the latest Benue massacre was caused by the anti-open grazing law ?
Bros, I don't have time for trading insults or mockery like you seem to have degenerated into.
It should be clear to anyone by now that your motives in this subject are questionable.
From singing Boko Haram compliant songs you have now graduated to the struggle to pretend that Miyetti Allah and their terrorist self justifications do not exist in the dimension where you live. From arguing that since Boko Haram were originally a charity group, their metamorphosis to a violent anti-Western education group is questionable while conveniently ignoring the fact that their founder's commune was based on rejection of contemporary modernity and trying to erase their murders of rival clerics you have graduated to struggling to deny historical facts about Miyetti Allah's publicly and loudly self declared ownership and justification of various massacres.
You do this as you recurrently evoke Boko Haram ideology by condemning Nigerian's Western education in discussing underdevelopment in Nigeria in the same simplistic irrationality as Boko Haram but even more simplistic than theirs., since they at least seem to be falling back on their barbaric form of Islam.
I salute as you peddle your agenda that is clearly unhelpful to Nigeria.
toyin
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 23:23, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You make sweeping and unsubstantiated allegations all the time. Tell me the names of the Miyetti Allah's representatives that admitted to massacring people, and you wobble around aimlessly like a serpent whose body is invaded by black ants. About the killings in Benue, including that of two Reverend Fathers, I forward herewith links of what an Edo man of AUCHI stock, Adam Oshiomhole said recently.
www.saharareporters.com/2018/07/28/oshiomhole-ortom-clash-over-benue-killings%E2%80%8b
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Ämne: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - UK Parliament June 2018 Discussion on Right Wing Fulani Terrorism in Nigeria and Highlights of DebateSalimonu,
The problem with you apologists for Fulani herdsmen terrorism is that you are doing an unwanted job, a needless job.
Apologists like you, and you, in particular, began by declaring that the killers had nothing to do with Fulani herdsmen.
Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation then began to declare responsibility for the massacres and to justify them.
You then declared that the Miyetti Allah spokespeople doing these were nonentities who represented no significant constituency.
Years later, no less a personage than Emir of Kano, ex-Central Bank governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi rose to declare himself and the Sultan of Sokoto, head of Nigeria's Muslims, as apex leaders of Miyatti Allah.
Your work has now switched to pretending those declarations never took place.
Sorry.
Even if you dont want to agree that Miyetti Allah is a terrorist organisation, or concede that not only is it such, it is part of a triangulation involving the Fulani led fed govt and the terrorist foot-soldiers, you should be honest enough to examine the implications of an organisation headed by the Emir of Kano and the Sultan of Soko owning up to and justifying Fulani herdsmen terrorism.
toyin
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 19:49, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is nothing like a commonsense rumour or gossip and if a white man were to tell me all the things you say about the Fulani people and herdsmen, I will not call him a racist. I will, rather, look at his face and tell him that he is white in the body but black in the brain. Of course, one can be black in body, brain and mind which are African realities in life. Be thy brothers and sisters' keeper!!!!
S. Kadiri
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Ämne: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - UK Parliament June 2018 Discussion on Right Wing Fulani Terrorism in Nigeria and Highlights of DebateSalimonu,
On the Terrorism by the Owners of Fulani Cattle Herds:
Are you making an assertion that owning a large herd of cattle does not make one very rich, and possibly a millionaire? To make such an assertion in a valid manner, you have to provide information contrary to the widely known fact of the high economic value of cattle. Are you arguing agst a general assessment of the Fulani cattle industry as running into millions, if not billions? Do you have any evidence to disprove these basic commonsense assertions? Assertions that represent a decades old reality of Nigerian economy it does not need any expert knowledge to justify?
If you are, then its you who need to provide expert evidence to contradict a fact that does not detailed exploration, going by the massive numbers of Fulani cattle herds driven across Nigeria, currently obstructing traffic, eating up farmlands and even occupying classrooms across the nation.
Bottom line: The owners of the Fulani herdsmen cattle are millionaires who, instead of using their considerable economic resources to modernize their business, are using the ancient Fulani lifestyle of cattle nomadism in terrorizing Nigerians at various scales of aggression, from individual murders, maimings, rapes and recently, financial extortion of communities carried out by their nomadic affiliates, and through a terrorist campaign of massacre and community decimation and occupation centred in the Middle Belt but also tested in places like the SE as in Nnimbo.
These characters insist that Nigerians must choose between either their terrorist campaign or providing land for them and maintenance of that land at Nigerians' expense, across the nation.
They have not announced a single plan to use their considerable economic force in pursuing modernization of their cattle business. They are not outlining how they will build ranches anywhere. They are insisting that the ancient nomadic tradition must continue, with grazing routes marked out for their nomadic brethren even in the face of massive population growth and infrastructural development that has reshaped Nigeria, and with that plan failing, they are arguing for cattle colonies across Nigeria at Nigerians' expense.
They are pressing these demands through terrorism, climaxing in the regular decimation of entire communities.
The SE governors' resolution and the Anambra anti-open grazing law sums up the tenor of the increasing resistance of Nigerians to this vicious plan of internal colonization: build your ranches in the North where you are demographically centred. Transport the cattle to the South for sale by trucks. No open grazing.
I add, use your money, as self respecting business people are doing all over Nigeria, in building ranches for yourselves in the North. After all, you do not give us your beef for free. We pay for it. Why must we bear your financial responsibilities? If the govt assists you in your self help initiative, as govts may do, good. But to insist that Fulani cattle business is equivalent to Fed govt business bcs of the power of Fulani in Nigerian politics is brigandage and Nigerians are not having it, particularly when that initiative is pursued through massacre upon massacre which the right wing Fulani in the persons of Miyetti Allah justify in the name of their conquest mentality.
On the Structure of Miyetti Allah as the Civil Society Wing of a Terrorist Organisation:
Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Culural Organisation is organised in terms of a hierarchy covering various administrative regions of Nigeria and climaxing in the apex leadership, of which the Sultan of Sokoto and the Emir of Kano, ex-central bank governor Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, are the most prominent.
Fulani herdsmen terrorism has emerged as the central security threat and eventually the central challenge to Nigeria's existence since the escalation of the slowly growing terrorism of this group with Fulani cattle owner Muhamadu Buhari's assuming the Presidency in 2015, this group killing even more people than the previously deadliest terror group in Nigeria, Boko Haram Islamic terrorism, the latter originating from and centred in the Muslim North, Fulani herdsmen terrorism originating from the same region but developing a national spread with strikes in various regions and a concentration in the Middle Belt where they have decimated several communities which they have subsequently occupied with their cattle and people.
This campaign of dispossession and decimation of lives has been severally justified by Miyetti Allah leadership at various administrative levels, all the time presenting spurious claims of hundreds of stolen cows as cause for revenge on the communities they despoil while in the last Benue massacre they simply made it clear that they were going to gather in force to to defy the Benue anti-open grazing law at which point they demonstrated their defiance through the massacre of hundreds.
At no time, in this rising campaign of destruction of human lives and livelihood, in which Miyetti Allah lower level leadership justified massacre after massacre and the Fulani led fed govt behaved as if there was nothing out of place with a group declaring the right to massacre other Nigerians, did Miyetti Allah apex leadership respond to the identification of the organisation with those atrocities by its own officers, thereby indicating that those who owned up to and justified those massacres on behalf of Miyetti Allah spoke for the entire organisation and its leadership.
The apex leadership chose to respond only as Nigerians' outrage rose agst the impunity of this deadly group, asking "Who are the leaders of Miyetti Allah?", at which point the Emir of Kano, Sanusi, identified himself and the Sultan of Sokoto as the leaders of Miyetti Allah, but never dissociated the apex leadership from the actions of the lower level leadership who owned up to and justified various massacres on behalf of the organisation.
Sanusi's next response on this crisis was to rise in defense of the organisation in the last massacre they committed in Benue, in defiance of the state's anti-open grazing law, Sanusi urging those criticizing the Miyetti Allah enabled massacre to also address his claimed massacre of Fulani in Taraba, a spurious claim, not only bcs of its repudiation by the Taraba state govt but his odd failure to bring an event of such magnitude to the nation's attention when it occurred, instead choosing to use this claim as a tool of deflection from the latest outrage his organisation had committed.
Who is the terrorist Fulani herdsmen's spokesperson, who consistently justifies the massacres they commit and insists on imposing their self centered demands on Nigerians? Miyetti Allah Fulani-Socio-Cultural Organisation and their Hausa-Fulani politician affiliates and heads of Nigeria's security forces, from Muhammadu Buhari to the Inspector General of Police to the Minister of Defense.
This group of like minded people, centred in Miyetti Allah, which is the ideological centre of the Fulani herdsmen's terrorism as well as their logistical director, as indicated by the Miyetti Allah's owning up to and justifying various massacres, the latest being their open verbal defiance, mobilization of troops and eventual attack in the latest Benue massacre, thus demonstrates its character as a terrorist organization, Miyetti Allah its most obvious ideological organ, the Fulani herdsmen miltia their foot soldiers, while they, the right wing, ethnic supremacist elite Fulani, provide the social and political capital enabling the obvious political leverage empowering the terrorist army, and the unseen but very evident economic support in building and sustaining this terrorist force.
' You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but you are less likely to be able to fool all the people all the time'
toyin
On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 at 14:56, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The cost of cattle makes the owners of the herds of cattle millionaires, asserts Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, who claims his assertion to be simple logic. Similarly and by the same simple logic, one can aver that the cost of allowing men's one eye snake to take a bite at Edo women's apple makes all Edo women millionaires. Your simple logic is a perverted logic. I will not even accept your postulation as a hypothesis since you could not support your claim with the number of cattle owners in the country, the number of cattle possessed by individual owners and the average price in naira of a cow.
The people who own the cattle in the cattle pastoralism that is now Nigeria's primary scourge are almost certainly the warlords who have created the terrorist army - asserts Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju, claiming his assertion to be simple logic. There is nothing logical in saying people who own the cattle without telling readers who are the people who own the cattle. Thereafter he proceeded to imagine that his anonymous cattle owners are almost certainly the warlords who have created the terrorist army. Your postulation is just as unreasonable as a person who claims to have seen a half-pregnant or almost certainly pregnant woman. Tell readers, without dancing around, who are the people who created the terrorist army.
Miyetti Allah who justify the massacres by terrorists, are almost certainly among these terrorist financiers - imagines Oluwatoyin Adepoju, who attributes his imagination to simple logic. By your expression, Miyetti Allah who justify, you have already admitted that there are many branches of Miyetti Allah's organization and, therefore, you must be able to tell your readers which particular branch of Miyetti Allah is/are justifying massacres by terrorists. Without which branches of Miyetti Allah are justifying massacres by terrorists, he supported his malicious assumption by saying Miyetti Allah are almost certainly among these terrorist financiers. He has no concrete evidence that Miyetti Allah are financiers of terrorists which is why the expression, almost certainly. Logically and reasonably, Miyetti Allah must either be financiers of terrorism or not and they cannot under any circumstance be almost certainly terrorists financiers. If a gossiper should tell me that Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju is almost certainly a millionaire, my response to such a gossiper would be that being almost certainly a millionaire implies that he is not a millionaire. If the gossiper should support his claim by pointing to the robust cheeks, curves of rings in his neck and protruded stomach, as simple logic of Adepoju's almost certainly being a millionaire, I would express my sympathy for the gossiper's mental handicap. Thus, Vincent is almost certainly wise with his inverted and perverted simple logics.
S. Kadiri
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The cost of cattle makes the owners of the herds of cattle millionaires. Simple logic.
The people who own the cattle in the cattle pastoralism that is now Nigeria's primary scourge are almost certainly the warlords who have created the terrorist army. Simple logic.
Miyetti Allah, who justify the massacres by the terrorists, are almost certainly among these terrorist financiers. Simple logic.
A good degree of human knowledge grows by inference.
These particular inferences remain logically valid and can only be invalidated by proof to the contrary. All proof, in the current historical record, points to the validity of these inferences.
The best a member of the public can do in this instance is to make such valid inference as I have just made, the kind that law enforcement makes in order to arrive at the likely people culpable in a crime through examining such factors as motive, behavior in relation to the issues and circumstances surrounding the crime, resources to commit the crime and proximity to the scene of the crime when it occurred.
The fed govt, however, will not show itself to be making such necessary inferences and acting on them, bcs the leader of that govt and his affiliates also belong to this terrorist network.
All possible factors in the creation and military and logistical sustenance of the terrorist army points to the Fulani owners of the cattle and Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation, the latter being openly the ideological representatives of the terrorists.
I am open to examining other possibilities, from the claim of foreign terrorist groups, to the claims of wandering Bororo, to notions of drifting mercenaries from Libya, all postulates that have little merit.
We should not be like those Jews who refused to read the writing on the wall as the Nazis initiated their elimination, until it was too late.
These people are being very brazen in their approach, but like the person arguing about the color of the arrow fired into his flesh, some people simply refuse to credit the terrorists' clearly articulated goals.
Again- why should a group of people be free to feed on other Nigerians in broad daylight and get away with it?
From Atiku Abubakar threatening Nigerian with violent change bcs a Northern Muslim, namely himself, was not made PDP 2011 Presidential candidate, to Buhari declaring that the dog and baboon would be bathed in blood if he lost in 2015 to Miyetti Allah headed by the likes of the Emir of Sokoto and the Emir of Kano, Sanusi, justifying massacres of Nigerians, and yet none of these figures were questioned by law enforcement, talk less being prosecuted and imprisoned for treason and terrorism.
What does that tell us abut the relative valuation of lives of Nigerians?
How did we become prey in our own land and accept that as normal?
toyin
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 20:46, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It amounts to sloganeering to claim that cattle breeders are billionaires without telling us the names of those cattle breeders billionaires. Can one say that all Edo human traffickers and prostitutes are billionaires without specifying the names of the Edo billionaire traffickers and prostitutes? You claimed to know, the real owners of cattle, the 'Fulani herdsmen terrorists' and their suppliers of sophisticated weapons, why have you not, as a committed Nigerian, published their names in relation to their criminal activities fot the world to see? Slogan, as the former late Prime Minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, once said, is like parfym, it smells good but tastes bad. Be intelligent and stop inciting ethnic hatred.
S. Kadiri
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Ämne: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - UK Parliament June 2018 Discussion on Right Wing Fulani Terrorism in Nigeria and Highlights of DebateFiction-
'Cattle owners are illiterates and do not know what is ranching. '
Fulani cattle rearing is a multi mullion if not a billion naira business.
The cattle are not owned by those Fulani herdsmen trekking across Nigeria.
Who is providing the sophisticated weapons the Fulani herdsmen terrorists use and who is funding their terrorists army?
Poor, uneducated people?
Secondly, the urban Fulani are well educated and able to promote the ranching idea in the North. They have refused, preferring to force their agenda on Nigerians by enabling terrorism through Fulani herdsmen.
Miyetti Allah Fulani Socio-Cultural Organisation, the Fulani terrorist spokesman, is run by some of Nigeria's most educated, most wealthy and most socially empowered Fulani, most prominent of whom are the Sultan of Sokoto, head of Nigeria's Muslims and the Emir of Kano, ex-central bank governor Sanusi Lamiso Sanusi. The major role of this organisation in this war they are waging on Nigeria is to justify the massacres carried out by their terrorist army and press for demands enabled by the horrors wrought by that army. A terrorist command organisation.
The argument from Southern Nigerians is that Fulani herdsmen should keep their ranches in the North bcs they have proven to be dangerous neighbors. They created that reputation by themselves through their reputation for destruction of lives and livelihood and maiming across Nigeria, through the massacres in various parts of the nation carried out by their terrorist army and through their genocidal colonization campaign in the Middle Belt and through the support of Miyetti Allah who uses its social capital in supporting their massacres and through the help of the Fulani led fed govt which not only refuses to bring the bloodthirsty creatures and their enablers to book but schemes to reward them with Nigeria's resources.
This resolve of Nigerians holds even if these characters now decide to build ranches in Southern Nigeria with their own money.
They want, however, that these ranches should be built for them, with Nigeria's money, across Nigeria, with the help of those who argue that such largesse to private businesses is equal to the fundamental role of govt in building roads and providing fuel subsidies.
The equation of their greedy plan to govt subsidizing agriculture also does not hold bcs these people are not asking for subsidies. They are demanding that Nigerians bear the full economic responsibilities that should belong to the cattle owners or face the consequences in more massacres by their terrorist army.
Have you read Miyetti Allah outline its plans to build ranches anywhere? No.
It has to be other Nigerians from the South and the Middle Belt, who they are trying to cow into becoming a subservient and conquered people, who should provide land for the ranches and the means to maintain them. The millionaire Fulani cattle owners and their ethnic kin will simply step in and assume ownership.
Having gained such strategic footholds through the terror of merciless bloodletting, eliminatingcommunities, men, women and children, and occupying their land, terrorism reinforced through political manipulations, who knows what the future holds for those who have their cattle colonies as neighbors?
Nigerians are seeing the handwriting on the wall and are saying
NO TO FULANI CATTLE COLONIES
Build your ranches in the North where you have your ethnic origin, and build them by yourself, as responsible business people. If the fed govt helps you, good. Transport the cattle to the South in trucks and avoid what you like to claim are people blocking cattle routes which you treat as your property on land that is not yours.Reasonable. Everyone wins.
Why is it proving so hard for these people to absorb that simple fact?
Stop trying to hold the rest of us to ransom through a culture of shedding rivers of blood.
Thanks
toyin
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 15:10, Salimonu Kadiri <ogunl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Ayo,
Being a Professor of Philosophy, you should not have problem in understanding what I wrote if you have really read through and not just glossed over it. The difference between you and us (Sali & Corni as you expressed it) is that we do not see the killings in Nigeria as a tragedy of others but tragedy of the entire nation (of all of us). We are more interested in removing cause(s) of killings and not just lamenting over the effects of killings. When a tree is bearing forth bad fruits, you don't rectify that abnormality by pruning the stems of the tree. Our wise ancestors in Africa normally used to uproot the tree and plant new ones. Not attending a funeral ceremony does not imply that I don't mourn the dead but in the Nigerian parlance, a bourgeois professor of philosophy who attends a funeral ceremony, to shed two drops of tears only to turn around and drink two bottles of wines at the expense of the bereaved, thinks he/she is a good mourner of the dead.
My dear Ayo, you asserted that 'many communities of our time have been raised to the ground, thousand maimed and dismembered, quartered as civilized Europeans used to quarter recalcitrant blacks on the plantation, and the enemy is Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju?' After reading this, I checked the forum's archive to see what you wrote as recent as 9 July 2018 while engaging Professor Jibrin Ibrahim. Here is what I found, "Our brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers, uncles and nephews, nieces and nephews are being butchered like Ileya Rams, without the proper rituals of Halal, yet the best you guys can do is to fabricate il-logicalities." Do you see the similarities in what you wrote before and now, except that you have now substituted 'the best you guys can do is to fabricate il-logicalities' with a rhetoric question, 'the enemy is Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju? I hereby refer you to my response the same day instead of recanting the same again. Sincerely yours, Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju is not the enemy but the ethnic-fascism that he preaches consistently against Fulani people of Nigeria as a whole and regardless of their individual profession, is the enemy. Have you read the British House of Lords' debates on Nigeria posted on this forum by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju? Could you not see that the House of Lords debaters were only asking what assessment Her Majesty's Government has made of continuing violence between communities and armed groups in Nigeria? Are you not induced to ask from where Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju got his fascist headline captioned : UK Parliament Discussion on Right Wing Fulani Terrorism in Nigeria? It takes emotional intelligence to love ones own countrymen/women as one-self. My appeal to Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju is to be emotionally intelligent and to stop feeding on fascism as his buffet.
For reasons best known to you, you introduced the late Babs Fafunwa into the discussion and chided him for his struggle to spread basic primary education among herdsmen's children. Regrettably, you implied that his effort was motivated by his belief in Muslim religion. Had his effort to educate the ALMAJIRI not been sabotaged, perhaps, most Northerners today would have known that their Governors collect revenue allocations from the Federal government quarterly and it is not Allah that brings money as their Governors tell them. As Minister of Education, late Babs Fafunwa wrote about 'Learning and Teaching in our Mother Tongue.' Therein, he asserted, "The colonial education robbed the Nigerian child of his creativity, inventiveness and originality. Since the Nigerian child is forced to think in English, other than in Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba and other local languages, the child finds it hard to assimilate instructions easily and build manual dexterity effectively." Looking around, I discover that every country that uses its mother tongue in education in Europe is able not only to manage their internal natural resources, but imported ones. Thus, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy, France etc., that have no single litre of crude oil in their soil have functioning crude oil refineries whereas, Nigeria is a major exporter of crude oil, she depends on imported fuel for her domestic needs since the local refineries have been administered to coma by the overeducated English speaking Nigerians. The locally refined crude oil by Urhobo, Ijaw, and Istjekiri speaking people are declared illicit by the English speaking Nigerian officials. Whereas the oral and written English English of the educated Nigerians can crack stones, cause thunder to roar and lightening to flash, it cannot generate and distribute electricity as it has been demonstrated in Nigeria. In comparison with Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy etc., where they use their indigenous languages for education, they generate and distribute constant electricity to their citizens. So, Babs Fafunwa was not only right when he sought to inject questioning mind into the ALMAJIRI through education, but also when he queried the benefit of English language to Nigerians as a means of acquiring useful knowledge in science and technology.
You charged me for shifting focus on UK. You are wrong. UK Lords were debating the killings in Plateau and I think they should debate how developmental funds stolen by Nigerian officials and politicians and kept in British Banks could be repatriated to Nigeria, to build schools, roads, hospitals etc so that Nigeria can enter the club of developed nations. When the evil Samaritans in the UK's House of Lords claimed that about 200 people were killed and 50 villages destroyed in Plateau, the Plateau State Commissioner of Police, Undie Adie, said that a search revealed that 86 people were killed, six injured and 50 houses razed, according to Guardian Weekly, Vol. 199, No.4, 29 June-July5, 2018. Nigerians don't need charity, they want justice which, everybody knows, brings peace and progress.
Dear Ayo, the philosopher, you wondered if we realized what would have happened if the 'wealthy' cattle owners themselves had invested in cattle ranching in Nigeria. Cattle owners are illiterates and do not know what is ranching. You can equally wonder about what would have happened if crop farmers have invested in mechanized agriculture. If the ministry of agriculture now wakes up to its responsibility by willing to subsidize livestock farming as it is done in all the Western world from where we copied our system of Government, why should som ethnic fascists be protesting. The same ethnic fascists are enjoying fuel subsidies to run their private vehicles and drive on roads constructed and highly subsidized with our collective patrimony. We know the economic advantage of livestock farming through ranching which is why we support ranching in any state of Nigeria where cattle breeders have settled permanently. People like you are opposed to the idea of ranching in Southern Nigeria because as you put it, you cannot travel to Sokoto to 'grow Goro' the assumption I disproved in my response to you on 9 July 2018.
S. Kadiri
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Ämne: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - UK Parliament June 2018 Discussion on Right Wing Fulani Terrorism in Nigeria and Highlights of DebateGood day all,
At times I wonder what the two elders, Alagbas Sali and Corni are about. Yoruba saying, eni to kan lo mo, is a serious admonition not to take the tragedies of others lightly. Imagine if at the height of Ife-Modakeke strife, anyone were to be trifling with the seriousness of the carnage that was unfolding in the ancient city.
One of the problems I have had with western education and scholarship is its capacity to fake objectivity, engage in pedantic hairsplitting and reckless obfuscation. Many communities in Nigeria of our time have been razed to the ground, thousands maimed and dismembered, quartered as civilized Europeans used to quarter recalcitrant blacks on the plantation, and the enemy is Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju?
How is it possible to not take sides with the poor? The time our own Professor Babs Fafunwa suddenly discovered his Muslim name to get a seat at the Federal Executive Council and jump on the bandwagon of Almajiri Education, some of us wondered what happened to our illustrious professor to turn him into an emissary of backwardness. Where in the world do teachers follow itinerant herders?
Baba Sali shifted focus on UK. Yes UK deserve the fire and fury directed at it, because most of the problems around the world originated from 10 Downing Street. But why is it difficult for the two Babas, Corni and Sali, to realize that if only the wealthy cattle owners would minimize their inhumanity and greed, invest (have invested) properly in cattle ranching, things will never
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