Wednesday, January 31, 2024

Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - South Africa Hails 'Decisive Victory' For International Law At UN Court

alas, it is too true, this terrible state of affairs.
i listened to ha aretz's zoom call on the question of the genocide trial this afternoon. one of the 4 speakers was an arab woman reporter who described what we all have seen and heard now for two months, the terrible destruction cornelius describes so well (23,000 dead or more. maybe 25,000 by now—remember 1200 israelis were killed, so the kill ration is twenty to one,.,,and growing)
the shocking account this woman reporter, who is, i believe israeli arab, was accompanied by the information that all the details of this devastating destruction that we are seeing, which no decent people could stomach, is being kept from the israeli people. at first when i was told that, i didn't believe it since we all get onto the internet. now i am learning it is apparently true....
where are the voices in israel opposing this destruction of innocent lives?
ken

kenneth harrow

professor emeritus

dept of english

michigan state university

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Dear Sir,


The antisemites and hypocrites who are supporting Israel or are pretending to be supporting Israel, are happy, they are secretly rejoicing in their hearts, that Israel is in this kind of situation, facing the whole world's opprobrium. They look forward to seeing Israel squirming in the position she's in - she - supposed to be the Sabbath bride. They ( the anti semites) would like to intensify Israel's dilemma, Israel surrounded by hostile neighbours who are witnessing daily, the ongoing massacres of their people in Gaza, their hostility and hatred increasing incrementally, and magnified a millionfold, praying to Allah for victory and assured of victory  - al-Fath, in response to current events, a payback time and a holocaust that should supersede the last one - some kind of "operation spare no living thing" , so that "never again" would be superfluous, when there's no one left to kill, if this hadith is anything to go by. 


Leon Thomas sings of the situation that's unfolding: Shape your mind to die


As for the Christian missionaries, as is written in their Bibles, a time will come when things will be so bad for the Jews that they will most sincerely cry out to God, and it is then that Jesus will come…

 

According to the UN, Gaza is now "uninhabitable"


Things are happening: 


LIVE | UN Security Council Meeting On Israel-Hamas War After ICJ Ruling On Gaza

 

Sinn Fein tabled this motion in the Irish Parliament a few hours ago:


Israeli impunity must end – Irish Government should join genocide case against Israel at ICJ


BBC HARDtalk: Ronald Lamola - Minister of Justice South Africa


Re - your submission: "The protests against israel's actions here in the u.s., and probably europe, are lined up with attacks on israel as a settler colonial state. I don't agree that that is accurate, yet, my conundrum above leaves me wearied and uncertain whether criticizing the rightwing govt is enough for us to evaluate the whole situation and history."


It is not only the current right-wing government that is guilty of crimes against humanity. And it was not a Palestinian nationalist that assassinated Yitzhak Rabin


Given the preceding historical circumstance, post-the Holocaust, the Israel portion of the partitioned Palestine as a welcoming homeland and safe haven for the Jewish people who have only been subjected and subjugated to a long history of persecution in exile, at the beginning at least, judged by intentions alone, the Zionist idea of a return to the ancient homeland does not wholly deserve the judgement "Israel is a colonial settler state ", but after what has happened, beginning with the Nakba, right through the ongoing Nakba Number 2, the term  "Israeli Gestapo chief " is not entirely out of place either, because the fact is that when someone - anyone  - acts like a Nazi, then he or she is a Nazi.


When is a terrorist, not a terrorist? When he is a holy Israeli terrorist?


And when is a genocide not a genocide? It is genocide, when you deliberately kill 13, 000  innocent women and children, systematically and indiscriminately terror-bomb the homes and residences of an entire population in that crowded city, bomb all the hospitals, including the maternity wards, and bomb the patients on life support, bomb the doctors and healthcare workers, bomb all the refugee camps, bomb some of the mosques and churches, bomb all the schools, playgrounds, and universities, to deny the kids a future, kill at least 85 journalists and media workers, bomb and destroy the water supply and electricity facilities, bomb the radio and tv stations, create and maintain a situation in which food is in such short supply and the population is on the brink of starvation, and it's even difficult for the 1.8 million displaced people now on the run to uncertain and unsafe shelters, to find a toilet to defecate, the Almighty God of all creation is not amused. 


If it was the tables turned and in the name of wanting to exterminate the IDF, it was the Palestinians  who were doing to the Israelis, what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, then Tony Blinken and Joe Biden would be crying for a ceasefire 


All the Palestinian blood that has  been spilt did run down the drain  and cannot have been in vain, so, understandably, you will be hearing the international cry, AMANDLA and that which is anathema to Satanyahu's ears: From the river to the sea, Palestine Must Be FREE 





On Tuesday 30 January 2024 at 23:22:39 UTC+1 Harrow, Kenneth wrote:
Dear all
What prompted my question about immigration of european jews into israel was a discussion with a friend about how many of those who came, especially in the 30s and 40s, were refugees. We all agree on the principle that refugees should be admitted to any country.
In any event, my friend said, yes, refugees coming in, that's fine. Not fine if they turn into occupying settlers. 
That's a vexed question in israel. Some of those immigrants wanted to displace arabs; others to live alongside, and probably all hoped for a homeland eventually, which they got in 1948.

I thought of other settler colonies, kenya, s africa, the portuguese colonies, even india or the u.s.a. These cases are all somewhat different, with, let's say, some american immigrants being religious refugees, like pilgrims or huguenots. The indigenous peoples were hardly uniform; some ultimately allied with the growing americans against their common foes, as happened in africa as colonialism got started, everywhere that i know of. But eventually, in africa, anyway, colonialism masked what emerged: a conquest, often brutal. In the americas we had conquistadores, also brutal conquest. Every settler colony in africa became a brutal conquest that displaced indigenous peoples and resulted in the awful history we all know.

So, what about israel? The numbers show almost a million jews coming from arab lands into israel, yemenites, syrians, egyptians, etc. many were forced by circumstances or worse to leave. The almost two million russians and ukrainians who came included many we'd call refugees. Many of those now live as settlers on the west bank; many couldn't care less about their displacement of arabs. The former arab jews—called sephardis—include netanyahu and his followers.

Rightwing settler governments turn legitimate desires to immigrate into nightmares for other people: a clear example is southern rhodesia, and apartheid south africa, not to mention japan in korea or china. 
That's why i asked the question of chidi, oluwatoyin, and cornelius,who have been actively discussing israel. How are we to think of this. The protests against israel's actions here in the u.s., and probably europe, are lined up with attacks on israel as a settler colonial state. I don't agree that that is accurate, yet, my conundrum above leaves me wearied and uncertain whether criticizing the rightwing govt is enough for us to evaluate the whole situation and history.
Ken

Kenneth Harrow
Emeritus Professor of English, Michigan State University
Harrow@msu/edu


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"I am black but comely, O daughters of Jerusalem! Like the tents of Kedar, like the curtains of Solomon"


"Someone else is speakin' with my mouth, but I'm listening only to my heart

I've made shoes for everyone, even you, while I still go barefoot" ( Dylan: I and I )


"Do not look upon me [disdainfully] because I am swarthy, for the sun has gazed upon me; my mother's sons were incensed against me; they made me a keeper of the vineyards; my own vineyard I did not keep." ( Song of Songs Verse 6)


One of the issues debated about the foundation of Israel was whether European Jews should have been allowed to migrate to Palestine.


It's a heavy topic. So, who is or was it that should have been doing the disallowing of any of God's children, and not be charged with discrimination, racism, and antisemitism?


I'd like to hear from Ken, from Moshe, the unabashed anti-Hamas, pro-Israeli spokesperson Chidi Anthony Opara, and of course, from the more balanced, nuanced and pro-harmony, pro-Justice, pro-human rights, pro-life in dignity, peace and tranquillity, everywhere in the cosmos: Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju 


The impression one gets - from the media - is that in Israel, with some exceptions of course, such as from  South Africa (Abba Eban - a good Jew), otherwise, generally speaking  "European Jews" (Ashkenazi ) that have emigrated from Western Countries -  from Europe, North America (for example Meir Kahane and his disciple  Baruch Goldstein), Australia ( e.g. Mark Regev) are more racist and more aggressive towards Palestinians than the Sephardi, the  Mizrahi ( e.g. Yosef Mizrachi) and the Arab Jews.


In the given circumstances European antisemitism culminated in Hitler's Final Solution and it was mostly "European Jews" that were annihilated in the Holocaust; the remnant needed a safe haven where they could prosper without being treated like vermin and specially targeted as objects of antisemitism. Their ancient homeland fitted the bill nicely, since home, sweet home is not supposed to be a place where hatred is. The watchword was Aliyah. The rest is history. 


Jews emigrated from all over the world to Israel


Jews emigrated from Arab countries and Iran


Here are the statistics: Total Immigration to Israel by Country of Origin (1948 - Present)





On Monday 29 January 2024 at 22:39:25 UTC+1 Cornelius Hamelberg wrote:
 "allowed"?

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 21:40, Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
One of the issues debated about the foundation of israel was whether european jews should have been allowed to migrate to palestine. I wonder how chidi, toyin, cornelius think about this?
Ken

Kenneth Harrow
Emeritus Professor of English, Michigan State University
Harrow@msu/edu


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Dear, most amazing Oluwatoyin,


Kudos, and much respect. 


That was a sharp, succinct, closely argued, honest, and in my view a perfect response from you.  


It deserves to occupy a column in the Palestine Chronicle , to be featured as an opinion piece in Al Jazeera or as an honest broker in any of the non-partisan media. 


As for Chidi, he's behind the times,  still standing still and treading water (shedding waterfalls of tears) at the ad misericordiam default position of the secular zionists - Hitler did it to the Jews, so - God bless Chaim Weizmann and his backers who towards the end of the first world war were able to prevail over Balfour to issue The Balfour Declaration to give that which did not belong to him,  not a piece of Uganda ( the pearl of Africa) which had been first proposed and was apparently congenial enough to Herzl and his secular Zionists, but a piece of Palestine which was still a province of Syria, in the not yet defunct Ottoman Empire over which - like the vultures they were,  the greedy, predatory colonial Brits/ Britishers, and the equally hungry and predatory French were successfully extending their tentacles.


Does Chidi think that it was the Palestinians that perpetrated the Nazi Holocaust? 

Or that it is the Nazis that should be held responsible for the Nakba

Is Chidi aware that Israel has now escalated their genocidal operations in Gaza, on all fronts as if the ICJ has given them the green light to do so whilst  Biden & Co continue to look the other way? 


 It looks like Chidi would like to go back to the Old Testament affidavit version about Joshua's conquest of the seven nations of Canaan. // The Tanakh: Joshua's conquest of the seven nations of Canaan.


 I daresay Chidi the pseudo-Israelite Christian missionary goy or guy needs to take this course designed by Sam Keen: "How to love your enemies and hate your friends", it's available on pages 62 -66 of To a dancing God  - by Sam Keen, published way back in 1970. It's amazing how having zapped through that book, circa 1973, I could have regressed to taking fundamentalist pastor Samuel, even half-seriously…


Is this just another rumour, some more smoke without fire, or is it going to be fact:


Israel Is Building A $55 BILLION Canal Through Gaza!


 This song was about Nixon, post-Watergate, but it could as well have been about  Netanyahu 


"Sing a song for the wrong

 and the wicked and the strong

 and the sick, as thick as thieves…


He seems to tell us lies

and still we will believe him,

then together he will lead us 

into darkness, my friends…


Well, it ain't nobody's fault but our own,

still, at least we might could show the good sense

To know when we've been wrong, and it's already taken too long.

So we bring it to a stop then we take it from the top,

we let it settle on down softly like your gently falling snow

or let it tumble down and topple like the temple long ago…"


Ps: Oluwatoyin, I also had an uncle who I addressed as Uncle Olu: Samuel Beccles-Davies, his full name, Samuel Olu Beccles-Davies, he was the Chief Justice of Sierra Leone,at the time, a man of unimpeachable integrity, he lived in his own house, not in any official quarters, - he is the first person I called when my mother passed away in London on the 6th of January, 1998 - there were Nigerian soldiers in his house , when I called . Why? I asked him." They are looking for the rascal", he replied mysteriously. The rascal?  " Yes, Johnny Paul Koroma ", he clarified - that's the man I believe he had recently sworn in. Do you know where he is ?, I asked. "  It's OK,  we can talk," said he, " I think that the rascal is up in the hills'' 








On Monday 29 January 2024 at 10:58:34 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
Its s creation of Western political initiative.

Who is the head of the court?

A US citizen and one who has been part of US govt.

What has been the percentage of citizens of various countries heading the court?

A sincere question, sunce I don't know.

Where do the funds of the court largely come from?

Another sincere question.

The general orientation provided by the global dominance of Western leadership is also a factor.

Would the ICJ want to embarrass its primary owners, yes, owners, by going radically against them?

Hence, they have simply repeated the pius nonsense coming from the US, only added some requirements to be delivered in one month, by which time Israel would have continued in its daily bombardment and dehumanization of Palestinians, making further progress in doing to them what was done to Jews by the Romans when they dispersed them after destroying the temple, if I have the history right.

The West is largely in charge of the global institutions they created and sited in their own countries, ICJ, World Court, World Bank, UN etc.

The location of these institutions carries great symbolic, economic and leverage value. Its not inconsequential, as you claim.

Their location represents their significance as indices of a world order created by the West and largely in the interests of the West.

Moving forward, these world bodies should be situated on different continents, instead of the current concentration in Europe and the US.

All countries should also have equal votes as to who leads them.

Until the world wrests control of these bodies from the US and Europe, such bodies  with potential power to deliver justice equitably will not deliver such justice.

We are faced with an emergency of historic proportions, and the best the court has been able to do is to tell the genocidists "We are not saying you should stop what you are doing. All we are saying is that you should not do what you are said to be doing and present evidence that you are complying".

Looks like nonsense to me.

The court is being saluted for giving credence to the presentations by SA of how Israel is prosecuting the war.

So?

Am I to salute you for agreeing thr sun is shining when its broad daylight?

Israel has got the message,the same message the US has been pushing.

"We are okay with your doing whatever you want to do to gain total advantage in Gaza, including destroying the place and killing as many people as possible to break them  in the name of defeating Hamas but do it before people's outcries make us look too bad".

The real agents of historic lessons here are Hamas and the Palestinians.

In spite of the epic bombardment, Hamas are still holding the hostages and their leadership  are neither surrendering nor trying to flee Gaza.

How are they doing it?

Anyone who has followed the history of this conflict will not be surprised by the totalistic savagery of the Israeli response.

I wonder how well Hamas calculated the pros and cons of Oct 7 and if they would do it again if they could go back in time.

As it is, just as the Nazis conceived and carried out what they called The Fimal Solution to the Jewish Problem, Israel is carrying out what they hope is The Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem, only things are not going as predictably for Israel as they did for the Nazis.

The Jews were completely helpless as entire populations were dehumanized and almost completely destroyed.

But the Palestinians are not equally helpless, as represented by Hamas, who are able to respond savagely to Israeli savagery, though at a very much smaller scale,  even though Hamas has only the smallest fraction of Israeli capability, and even though the US and other Western countries are ceaselessly supplying the most destructive weapons to Israel to facilitate the decimation of the Palestinians in defending the colonialist Israeli vision, Hamas has got no supplies of anti-aircraft weapons, of jamming mechanisms to overwhelm Israel's iron dome anti -rocket network, of rockets capable of devastating Israeli cities, laying waste to Tel Aviv and other Israeli urban centres as Israel is doing to Northern and Southern Gaza, but the desperate resilience of the average Palestinians and the suicidal tenacity of Hamas, demonstrate what the US and Israel's European allies are compelled to reirerate, Israel's lasting security can only be through an equitably founded and justly structured Palestinian state.

The mistake they are making is in sustaining the claim that eliminating Hamas is the route to Israeli security.

Since Israel was able to make the leaders of its terrorist co-founders its prime ministers, such as Menachem Begin of Irgun,  and others, Israel and its allies need to recognize that Hamas has earned its own place as a nation founder they cant discount.

A calculus of savagery in which all partners in the inequitably distributed inhumanity, Israel being the greater monster, must be given their due.

The Holocaust Traumatized Israelis and the Israeli Traumatized Palestinians.

Thanks 

Toyin 











On Mon, Jan 29, 2024, 12:01 AM Harrow, Kenneth <har...@msu.edu> wrote:
Toyin, what makes the icj western? Its location isn't a real factor. Wasn't the composition of the court equitable? I don't know, just asking.
Ken

Kenneth Harrow
Emeritus Professor of English, Michigan State University
Harrow@msu/edu


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The ICJ is a Western created institution, on Western land. 

The whole universe knows that Israel's claim to self defense is a most expansive one covering the decimation of Palestinian society as a perpetual deterrent.

The idea of a peace of equals between Israel and the Palestinians not on the table for Israel and her allies, specifically the US, UK and Germany


The UN has done its best but been hobbled by the US, the most powerful Western nation.

Did you expect the ICJ to do the reasonable thing to stop the ongoing slaughter?

Why would they?

We need a restructuring of these international institutions.

What has been achieved by SA is a symbolic victory, bringing to the open what has long been the case. 

That Israel is a largely sick country, suffering from  Holocaust Induced Trauma, HIT, in which descendants of the dehumanized become dehumanizers.

Thanks

Toyin








On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 9:53 PM cornelius...@gmail.com <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Oluwatoyin,


Given that the ICJ is a competent international body with competent judges in whom we are supposed to repose some trust that they are more than capable of fulfilling their mission which is to dispense justice, could you please tell us why you "did not expect much from the ICJ"?


Here is Jeffrey Sachs' reaction to the ICJ judgement 


Ray McGovern & Larry C. Johnson Interview: ICJ Ruling And Israel's LAST GASP


George Galloway 


Other reactions to the ICJ ruling on genocide in Gaza


The whole world waited with various degrees of anxiety, in some spheres, perhaps, an increase in the blood pressure among some members of the war cabinet due to some doubts and some fears, both positive and negative, since some of those who wash their hands in the morning to dedicate all their works to Hashem, begin the day with the prayer Rayshis chochma yir-as Adonai ((The beginning of wisdom is the fear of Hashem ) - at least they're supposed to know that, whilst others waited for the ICJ judgement with other kinds of expectations, with hope, even confidence that the ICJ would decree an international warrant for the arrest of Netanyahu and declare a ceasefire that would be legally binding, with immediate effect.


 I think that the Mullahs in Iran are the most realistic; they know that even if Mister Netanyahu believes that he is democratically elected and blessed with divine protection, UncleJoe's iron dome etc, he would never set foot in any territory that belongs to the Islamic Republic, speak less of him intending make a state visit and get some red carpet treatment when he knows full well that on his arrival at the Imam Khomeini International Airport, he would be taken into custody directly - as a hostage - and we will all be reading about the international crisis that he would have thereby created, in Tehran Times

 

So far it looks like Hezbollah have been biding their time and the war is all set to expand along the axis of the Israel-Lebanon border. A good rule of thumb: Trust in the Lord but don't misunderestimate Mister Hitler…


https://www.memri.org/






On Sunday 28 January 2024 at 16:48:22 UTC+1 Oluwatoyin Adepoju wrote:
I did not expect much from the ICJ

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024, 12:11 PM cornelius...@gmail.com <cornelius...@gmail.com> wrote:
Makes for depressing reading : Chris Hedges: It May be Genocide, But it Won't Be Stopped



On Friday 26 January 2024 at 23:31:39 UTC+1 Harrow, Kenneth wrote:
Victor is right about this need for justice, and african states to stand up. But again, blinker just returning from angola where a major american deal is concluded…. The money runs the show there. Where does it now? Palestine, where it is blood.
Ken

Kenneth Harrow
Emeritus Professor of English, Michigan State University
Harrow@msu/edu


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Mighty congratulations to South Africa and its political class, which demonstrably, have not forgotten their history of a prolonged struggle against institutionalized racism that was based on the doctrine of White Supremacy, which in its case was known as Apartheid. Here in the USA, a similar social system of institutionalized racism was known as Jim Crow. South Africa's direct, non-violent action of taking Israel to the World Court over the Palestinian tragedy demonstrates what a people, who are conscious of their history, can do to help others similarly in need. This is a case study of applied history. As the Great Dr. Martin Luther King, jr, put it, "Injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere." That history apparently gave the South African political elite an acute sensitivity to racial injustice, racial apartheid.

If I may add, there used to be a time when South Africa's northern big brother, Nigeria, also used to stand tall in the international arena, particularly during the heyday of the liberation struggles in Southern Africa, including its epicenters of then apartheid South Africa, Zimbabwe, Namidia, Angola, and Mozambique. As part of a compulsory exposure to a two-sequence course on decolonized African history, our university kids--across the board--should be made aware of that history of a time period in Nigeria's political evolution when it was a pride to be called a Nigerian on the international stage.

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